Hub Gear Compatible Frames

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/roadrat

Cheap, steel, and has all the fittings you'll need for commuting and light touring.

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/roadrat

Cheap, steel, and has all the fittings you'll need for commuting and light touring.

Yep, definitely a fan of those, put up a wanted ad the other day in the hope someone had one they might like to get rid of.

Another thing I'm considering is getting a semi custom one made by Mielec, for approx 180 euro

Been tempted by one myself for a while.

love the green x

Another thing I'm considering is getting a semi custom one made by Mielec, for approx 180 euro

Interesting. In that case vertical dropouts and an eccentric bottom bracket would be a very hub gear friendly combination.

Interesting. In that case vertical dropouts and an eccentric bottom bracket would be a very hub gear friendly combination.

that was my thought, although I know zero about EBBs.

that was my thought, although I know zero about EBBs.

Just spotted this in the Customer Rob English MTB thread:

Niner EBB

Looks like a sensible design; just requires the right bottom bracket shell but doesn't require any additional fixing holes. Neat. Ask Mielec if he can do a BB that will accept this.

Edit: Ah, looks like it will need MTB cranks. Boo.

Any geared bicycle will be fine, Alfine also have their own chain tensioner too, so you don't need to limited yourself to bicycle with track end.

vertical drop out make it a lots easier IMHO.

It was my assumption sliding/horizontal droupouts would be preferable to an EBB as I'd imagine changing a wheel/tyre would be a whole lot easier?

If you mean 'wouldn't you have to back off the EBB to get the wheel back in or out' the answer is no. Well, not in my experience anyway.

Advantage of an EBB, other than it looks neater, is that the wheel is always in the same position meaning you don't have to adjust your rear disc caliper every time you have the wheel out or adjust the chain tension.

Plus. If you have an EBB set up horizontally center. You can have it low or high. Depending on use. Might not be a big enough difference to notice much. But its still cool.

Hah, yeah, there's that too. Neat.

Okay so I'm reviving this thread, as I think hub gears are the way forward, as are disc brakes, and so for an upgrade from a hybrid commuter, that is the bike I've advised a lady friend to go for....
Except she needs a 50cm frame, and the day one only comes in a 52, as do the rest of the Genesis line. So I'm looking for an alternative to the Genesis Day One Alfine 8 Spd, but which does everything the Genesis does. So discs, rack and mudguard mounts front and rear, drop handlebars and preferably horizontal dropouts, and in 50cm package.

So been doing a bit of searching and have come up with a couple of alternatives, but hoping the cognoscenti on here have heard of a few more.

There's the Cotic Roadrat
http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/roadrat

which can be got for £939 complete bike

The On One Pompetamine which is frame only
http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FROOPO135/on_one_pompetamine_frame

But is only £139, though I'd rather get a complete bike than go through the time/effort to build up something from scratch.

Or the newly released Surly Straggler
http://surlybikes.com/bikes/straggler

Which doesn't have a price at this point in time, but looks like it will be around £400 frame and forks.

Anymore for anymore? Or is it a case of waiting it out for Genesis to realise their mistake and make the day one available in a smaller size come 2015.

Except for staggler none of them are small enough. Is it going to be flatbar or drops? None of the british frames come in small sizes.

And on the subject of genesis bikes sizing, we should start a petition and send it to alby

Except she needs a 50cm frame, and the day one only comes in a 52, as do the rest of the Genesis line.

The 2014 Genesis come in 50cm now due to customer request.

^ link?

My bad, for some reason the Day One does not have a 50cm model, the other however, like the Croix de Fer, Equilibrium, the 650B Col du Glandon (47cm) etc. come in 50cm.

tried 3 diff browsers still cant see the geo chart on genesis website .. has my mac gone bonkers?

yes, bin it and buy a new one.

They released their models last week, but not updated the geo chart yet.

ah cool, CDF 50cm will be interesting

It'll make a nice replacement to your Kinoko that's for sure.

^ ha! If genesis had made 50cm CDFs last year i'd have gone for it instead of the custom TFG one

was thinking of getting the Croix de Fer with an alfine wheel tensioner, it could do the job, but am getting conflicting information about the possibility of 50cm frames/complete bikes from Genesis.
When people say next year are they talking 2014 models which are being released now in the next couple of months, or in 2015, waiting till october/november 2014?

amey, the pompetamine says it comes in a 48cm (small) and a 51cm (medium).

but looking at the geometry it still could be too big, which makes a mockery of their numbering system..

As in 2014 next year model, Genesis themselves said they're making a 50cm version due to popular demand of their CdF bicycle (as well as their other line-up).

Might be worth waiting till they released the geo chart.