Fracking Hell...

i.e. we're completely fucked

Yes

Thank god for the French.

Imagine if they tried Fracking in France, they'd set off about 5 Fukishima's.

Fracking in France, sounds like an Enid Blyton novel

Bump time.

Georgie Boy offers tax breaks for shale gas. He's a naughty fracker...

What's better, that or we are beholden to Russia for heating?

Those are the two options?

What's better, that or we are beholden to Russia for heating?

Can't we all just put on an extra jumper?

What's better, that or we are beholden to Russia for heating?

Government would be better off to give incentives to housing associations to use bio fuel boilers and the like. Give serious BIG tax breaks to owners to upgrade their houses and make them as energy efficient as possible.

Shale gas exploration is a dangerous game and it's not one I wish to participate in.

There's also talk of outsourcing wind farms to Ireland. I'm sure that their hunting buddies are all in favour of keeping those ghastly windmills away from their hunting grounds.

Can't we all just put on an extra jumper?

^This...

or buy a pellet stove.

Handy if you live in a block of flats then.

Seriously, what would the costs be to outfit every house in the land with a new means of heating their house?

And if it was as simple as "put another jumper on" then old people would not freeze to death in winter.

North Sea gas is running out, to replace this we either have to reopen the coal mines and go back to coal gas, or import it from Russia.

Or ship it in from somewhere else of course.

Anyway, Russia has some considerable form in turning the gas supply off to enforce it's foreign policy- maybe a better idea to find another source before that happens to us?

Perhaps fracking isn't the way forward though?

Regime change. That's what is reqd.

fracking isn't all bad. coal use in the states has reduced dramatically since fracking exploration has developed loads of new gas reserves, drastically reducing CO2 emissions in the US. You gotta take most of that al gore end of the world type shit with a grain of salt. everyone's got an agenda.

Handy if you live in a block of flats then.

Seriously, what would the costs be to outfit every house in the land with a new means of heating their house?

And if it was as simple as "put another jumper on" then old people would not freeze to death in winter.

North Sea gas is running out, to replace this we either have to reopen the coal mines and go back to coal gas, or import it from Russia.

Or ship it in from somewhere else of course.

Anyway, Russia has some considerable form in turning the gas supply off to enforce it's foreign policy- maybe a better idea to find another source before that happens to us?

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm concerned about creating a long term fuck up by exploiting an easy solution.

Modern nuclear power seems more attractive than gas fracking, and that's saying something.

luci, you're right. unfortunately new build nuclear is terribly expensive and requires significant gov't subsidy. which isn't bad (at all) but is a tough sell to taxpayers given that it's a massive up front investment with an infinite payback period.

In a country like Canada or the US there are pockets of gas in where the population density is very low, the UK is tiny in comparison and therefore unsuitable for this sort of exploration.

To stop wind farms being built, because they're an eyesore and incentivice shale gas extraction doesn't add up.

To inject tons of chemicals in the earth to extract gas you will run the risk that the water gets tainted at some stage (not evening mentioning the tremors).

I'm with France on this one.

What's better, that or we are beholden to Russia for heating?

I agree with what you're saying, but I'm concerned about creating a long term fuck up by exploiting an easy solution.

Modern nuclear power seems more attractive than gas fracking, and that's saying something.

news story this morning that russia are offering to build our next generation of nuclear power stations
i think we are already too reliant on russia for our energy needs

Provided they only frack Lancashire we'll all be okay?

Can't we all just put on an extra jumper?

that would be a big jumper ..... but seriously .....

that is my tactic to fending off winter keep the central heating off till it's really really cold and just wear an extra fleece, bought said fleece 2or 3 years ago and it's paid for itself vs the amount i would have spent on gas

low fuel bills i feel smug ... if a little cold

it would be absolutely insane for any government to outsource any part of a nuclear new build design/construction project. given that they will never recover the cost of the project through selling the energy it produces, they MUST spend the difference on British engineering and construction firms to actually do the work. This will help keep the economy buoyant and should help offset the loss of capital involved in the project.

Perhaps fracking isn't the way forward though?

Regime change. That's what is reqd.

Invade Russia?

it would be absolutely insane for any government to outsource any part of a nuclear new build design/construction project. given that they will never recover the cost of the project through selling the energy it produces, they MUST spend the difference on British engineering and construction firms to actually do the work. This will help keep the economy buoyant and should help offset the loss of capital involved in the project.

Sadly we don't know one end of a reactor from the other anymore- we've lost the skills.

Much as it pains me to say so, we'd be best off asking the French for help, they use Nuclear quite well.

the russians have a good record with nuclear stuff don't they, like passing it on to iraq and allowing it to get too hot in chernobyl

Chernobyl is now a fantastic wildlife reserve- always a bright side.

Much like the Congo...