Cinelli Vigorelli 2010 (with paint stripping)

Have recently put together a Cinelli Vigorelli build. Really liking this frame so far. Nice and stiff and responsive. Accelerates super fast. Still want to change the headset to a non-cartridge type one. I've got the stem as low as it will go and I need more saddle-to-bar drop! Sick of this headset taking up so much steerer room. I can't wait for the inevitable impalement...

I'm also thinking about stripping off the paintjob and taking it to raw aluminium. Does anyone know of any issues with doing this? Are the welds also made from aluminium? I know that it oxidises but will it need a layer of clearcoat to prevent any detrimental damage to the structural integrity of the frame? Any information would be great! I've been trying to find out some specifics online but I trust in the expertise on this forum. And, before you ask, yes, I am going to attempt to keep the smiley face on the bottom bracket.

Oh, and here's a shoddy photo of my current set-up for all of you...

There'll be no problem mechanically, and you won't near to clearcoat it. But the paint job is really nice, so I don't think you should strip it.

If you want to strip it you can borrow my drill and sanding and polishing pads - I'll bring them along to the next Coventry ride or something.

The paint LOOKS great
That chain though? LOOKS like rubbish

Oh, and does anyone know how much the paint / primer / any other junk weighs?

6.8 kgs

you WILL regret stripping it, guaranteed ;)

Hobo has a Mash that he stripped and it looks ace.
But I'm with the others. The Vigorelli has a great paintjob.
And that year has a smiley BB shell :)

If you read the post then you would have found out that I'm going to try and keep the smile!

:)

Not sure how much paint/primer weighs but read somewhere that something like the new Pinarello Dogma comes in black finish as coloured paint is heavier. Vague to say the least. I'd keep the paint, it's lovely as it is. Ditch the chain though!

Pianerllo are so HARD for that.

Was waiting for a chain comment. It's a KMC Superlight. The pink ones were going for £19.99 on Planet X. Other colours were £29.99 or more. No way am I paying £10 more for a chain just to avoid being labelled as image conscious.

Functionality > Cost > Image

2-pack acrylic is perhaps only 30% solids. I don't know about the clearcoat. They've probably used perhaps 1.5 litres for everything (2-pack has far better coverage than cellulose or rattlecan paint).

Paint is less dense than water, so perhaps the 'wet' weight of the paint is about 800g. I don't know how dense the solids are, but I'd be surprised if you saved more than 50g in total.

but you're going to strip a decent paintjob...

According to a soapbox derby car forum, paint jobs weigh significantly less than 5 ounces (150 grams). And a soapbox car probably has a larger surface area.

No way am I paying £10 more for a chain just to avoid being labelled as image conscious.

Functionality > Cost > Image

Then why strip it?

Why more saddle to bar drop? How long exactly are your arms?
Also why are you whining about paint weight, when taking a closer look at the wheelset might be the better route?

Or maybe I'm going to call troll on this.

My arms are super long! Need that aero position on my commute, dude!

The weight isn't the primary reason for stripping. There is no primary reason! Would just be interesting to find out how much the paint weighs. I've always wondered why competitive bikes try and make weight savings wherever possible yet still add non-functional weight to the bike in the form of a paintjob.

ride the shit out of it. strip it once you've fucked the paint up. lower your seatpost and level your saddle and you have a nice bike. always liked those vigorellis. apart from the sloping top tube that is.

I think you bought the wrong size bike...

I've always wondered why competitive bikes try and make weight savings wherever possible yet still add non-functional weight to the bike in the form of a paintjob.

Because paint weighs virtually fuck all and looks nice? Plus, as we all know, modern bikes are basically brand advertisements and there's no point having a bare billboard is there.

What philpub said plus the fact that most high end bikes are below the UCI limit and need weights attached to them. Perhaps they need heavier paint not less.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/pro-bike-alex-dowsetts-team-sky-pinarello-dogma-2-31745/
MASSIVE long stem
HUGE seat post
CANYON of a saddle to bar drop
Looks like this wrong frame sizing is a common occurrence :/

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Not sure why someone is telling me to lower my saddle height. No one has a clue how tall I am. Troll? The saddle doesn't have much of an angle to it (if at all). It just looks like it from the angle this picture was taken from.

Are you are suggesting I get a different stem instead of changing the headset? I think putting in a non-cartridge headset would improve the bike anyway. Get rid of that extra steerer length too - way more than I'd ever need. And then if I did ever want to decrease the saddle-to-bar distance then I can get a stem which rises.

Yeah, I like the paintjob but at the end of the day it's only the image of the bike. Raw looks equally 'cool'.

Nice build, Phil.

Another point to mention is that by putting in a non-cartridge headset you would also make the geometry of the bike ever-so-slightly more aggressive - which would be nice.

Not sure why someone is telling me to lower my saddle height. No one has a clue how tall I am. Troll? The saddle doesn't have much of an angle to it (if at all). It just looks like it from the angle this picture was taken from.

Are you are suggesting I get a different stem instead of changing the headset? I think putting in a non-cartridge headset would improve the bike anyway. Get rid of that extra steerer length too - way more than I'd ever need. And then if I did ever want to decrease the saddle-to-bar distance then I can get a stem which rises.

Yeah, I like the paintjob but at the end of the day it's only the image of the bike. Raw looks equally 'cool'.

Nice build, Phil.

Another point to mention is that by putting in a non-cartridge headset you would also make the geometry of the bike ever-so-slightly more aggressive - which would be nice.

the point people are making is that your frame seems to be too small. running that much seatpost and that stem length certainly indicates that.

the saddle should be level with the floor.

how would a non cartridge headset improve the bike?

putting a different headset would not affect geometry. terminology confusion. it could affect the reach if thats what you mean.

putting a stem with rise on a track bike = wouldnt necessarily shorten the reach.
and besides, if you want the bike to have an 'ever-so-slightly more aggressive' feel, definately a bad move.

I'm guessing you mean going from an external headset, to an internal one. Thus losing the bottom race, and shortening the effective axle to crown by 6mm or so. This will steepen the frames angles by roughly 0.25deg.

The problemn is. In order to use an integrated headset. You need the bearing races to be included in the headtube. If your headtube is designed for external bearings. It wont have this. There are umpteen million types of headset out there. SO maybe I'm wrong. But it doesnt sound doable to me.