The Times Cycling Campaign

^ I wish it could be so :)

I agree with this. People are at fault for being selfish, their mode of transport has no bearing on this.

True. Their mode of transport does however have a bearing on how much damage they can do.
Equivalent fail <> equivalent outcome

Tragically, such an accident is far from rare. More than 27,000 cyclists have been killed or seriously injured on British streets in the past 10 years.

Above is quoted from the article.Really 27,000? This seems insanely high to me, Oliver is this true?

You'd have to define seriously injured.

I guess it might be true if that definition was all accidents that involved a visit to ER or a GP. i.e. if it included a large swathe of minor injuries.

The number does seem pretty high.

I do not believe that anyone is collating cycle injuries Nationally, where can we find this information? Now that you've gone full time VB, can I always ask you questions at 2.30am? You meant full time!

I just happen to be online because I'm watching the superb owl

I don't know what that means, shakes head at young people...

I just happen to be online because I'm watching the superb owl

I just happen to be online because I'm watching the superb owl

I don't know what that means, shakes head at young people...

Euph.

I just happen to be online because I'm watching the superb owl

I wasn't the only one that picked up on that then. Made me laugh out at my desk.

what is a melt? who is this comment aimed at? what has attire got to do with this thread?

It's a tepid insult. It's aimed at the folk that arguably over do-it in London/the UK. Look at images of cycle commuters on the continent and they're getting to work in the clothes they're wearing to work. That makes it very appealing to those considering making the switch as the only difference is the mode of transport. They're riding bikes fit for purpose; they're on comfortable sit up and beg dutch style bikes. We seem to be the ones that buy into all of the expensive bikes and accessories for what amounts to no more than a three mile trip*. That subconsciously makes the whole thing less appealing to those curious. (IMO). It also helps maintain bike theft.

*obviously if you're travelling over say, 6miles then proper clothes and a quicker machine deserve proper consideration.

27,000 doesn't seem that high to me. It's 2,700 a year, so less than ten a day. I can easily imagine ten broken bones (and injuries of that level of seriousness) a day. We seem to pop a couple of collar bones a week on this forum alone...

It's a tepid insult. It's aimed at the folk that arguably over do-it in London/the UK. Look at images of cycle commuters on the continent and they're getting to work in the clothes they're wearing to work. That makes it very appealing to those considering making the switch as the only difference is the mode of transport. They're riding bikes fit for purpose; they're on comfortable sit up and beg dutch style bikes. We seem to be the ones that buy into all of the expensive bikes and accessories for what amounts to no more than a three mile trip*. That subconsciously makes the whole thing less appealing to those curious. (IMO). It also helps maintain bike theft.

*obviously if you're travelling over say, 6miles then proper clothes and a quicker machine deserve proper consideration.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. You could just as easily argue that the typical fixie skidder look is equally off-putting to some. I think there are so many different types of cyclist in London people aren't put off by the day glo Lycra tribe.

How on earth does attire maintain bike thefts?

We will have to agree to disagree on this. You could just as easily argue that the typical fixie skidder look is equally off-putting to some. I think there are so many different types of cyclist in London people aren't put off by the day glo Lycra tribe.

How on earth does attire maintain bike thefts?

To be fair they are both pretty off-putting.

Fixie skidder types 'giving cyclists a bad name since 2006'

Has anyone read John Snow's view on the Times campaign and cycling.
http://www.channel4.com/news/jon-snows-manifesto-for-safer-cycling

All well and good but it's 'cities fit for cycling' and half of cycling deaths occur on rural roads.

Has anyone read John Snow's view on the Times campaign and cycling.
http://www.channel4.com/news/jon-snows-manifesto-for-safer-cycling

More scaremongering

Why?

Those are clearly personal opinions of his. I don't think his article is misleading at all.

[QUOTE]It is the absolute fact that half a tonne of vehicle, and 80kgs of bike and human simply cannot co-exist in the same road space safely.
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I'd agree, if I'm in the same space as half a tonne of vehicle, I'm in shit. I'd rather be either in front of, or behind it...

This soution from this thread: http://www.lfgss.com/thread79654-3.html#post2678949

What's most depressing is that these deaths would have been avoided by careful driving,
So what do we want drivers to do?
Share the road with us

How?
Hang back,
Pass wide,
Pass slowly

If they don't they suffer terrible penalties

(Or we keep banging on about cycle lanes segragation danger hi viz helmets road tax rljing pavement cycling myths myths myths...)

We need J Clarkson as an ambassador. If he trotted that message out we would have won half of the battle.

Never going to happen.

We can but dream!