A new Leader 722ts Build help?

spotter that build is awesome! imo though needs some drops!

Cheers, it'll probably end up with some and sram s900 levers at some point

Those Srams Tester linked to are a great deal - would look good on a black frame too

Thank you guys for all the feedback, it's been really helpful. And i'll be going along with some of your suggestions.

I do intend to use parts i already have and buy second hand as much as possible, the only obstacle to that is finding things quickly enough, been without a bike for far too long, i just want to be riding again as quickly as possible.

I'm leaning towards the SRAM S300 1.1 Chainset, gutted then that CRC don't have the 165mm ones until a month from now :s though i'm tempted to go for the 170mm ones. I assume since the bottom bracket will be higher on the leader frame, a pedal strike won't be an issue with 170mm crank arms?

I'm gona go with the vsprint built rear wheel, either dp13 rims or the peagasus 40mm rims, and the novatec hub. and use a r shimano rs20 front wheel i have lying around until i can afford a better front wheel.

Incidentaly, i was wondering whether the GXP bottom bracket that comes with SRAMS have sealed cartridge bearings? I'm assuming not..

Cheers.

yeah they are sealed

If you're buying off crc have a look around for their vouchers, people often post on here with £10 off a £75 spend

Drops the price of the srams to only 70 quid!

yeah they are sealed

Thanks dude :)

If you're buying off crc have a look around for their vouchers, people often post on here with £10 of a £75 spend

Drops the price of the srams to only 70 quid!

Excellent, Thank you!

I think forks wise i'm down to choosing between:

TIFOSI Pista vs Alpina track fork vs Leader's own S803 if i can find it for a decent price. though i'd prob rather go for alpina or tifosi since they're carbon and close to it in price. (wish i could afford the s805 though)

Also thanks to spotter for alerting me to the FSA Orbit X Headset , it's what i'll be getting.

This is all coming along nicely, thank you guys :)

will you ever want to use a brake? if so get the tifosi or the leader s805's

as seen on massan's 722ts

will you ever want to use a brake? if so get the tifosi

Yes on the brake, that's exactly why as i was just looking at each one i pushed the tifosi up to the top of the list. Though the leader forks come drilled, i'd obviously still rather have the tifosi over the s803 steel fork.

the 803's look good imo

i was wondering whether the GXP bottom bracket that comes with SRAMS have sealed cartridge bearings? I'm assuming not..

You're assuming wrong.

It's theoretically possible to replace the bearing cartridges, but the costly tools and minimal price difference between bearing sets and complete BBs makes it pointless for the basic SRAM steel bearing sets. Off road users seem to find the stock bearings short lived, so you can upgrade to one of the aftermarket BBs later if you find your service kills the SRAM ones quickly, e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NufgDt2zwXk

@mdcc_tester Cheers man, much appreciated, this build is helping bolster my knowledge quite a bit, thanks for all the info :)

Once again this padawan turns to you more knowledgeable peeps for further advice.

Looks like i'll be going for a TIFOSI Pista Fork, i've found one on here selling for a good price. The rake on it though is 30mm. Now i've never ridden with one of those before, i understand that kind of rake is aggressive and gives a twitchy and very responsive steering, now i can adjust my riding style just fine, but what implication does that kind of rake have for ride comfort, would it be stupid to ride that on an everyday commute in the streets of our beloved London?

21cm steerer enough for 58cm frame?

crank arms. 165mm or 170mm? I've never ridden 165mm. is the difference in power transfer really that noticeable for a non competing rider? From searching on Google and around here that seems to be the case. Just wanted to double check.

Once again, your input is enlightening and much appreciated.

The rake on it though is 30mm. Now i've never ridden with one of those before, i understand that kind of rake is aggressive and gives a twitchy and very responsive steering

Ah, that old wives' tale again. If you use a fork with less rake, you actually get slower steering due to the increased trail. However, short of riding otherwise identical bikes back to back, you're unlikely to notice the difference between 30mm and 43mm.

21cm steerer enough for 58cm frame?

I doubt it. Measure your head tube and add 75mm for a conventional headset or 45mm for integrated headsets to get the practical minimum. Any less than that and you'll be back next week quizzing us about low stack headsets and stems.

crank arms. 165mm or 170mm? I've never ridden 165mm. is the difference in power transfer really that noticeable for a non competing rider? From searching on Google and around here that seems to be the case. Just wanted to double check.

Nobody has ever proven a performance difference, and most of the people who claim they can feel a difference are kidding themselves and are proven to be deluded if you swap their cranks without telling them. Shorter cranks increase your gain ratio, all else being equal, so you should reduce your gear ratio and increase you cadence to compensate if you really want to compare like with like.

I'm gona go with the vsprint built rear wheel, either dp13 rims or the peagasus 40mm rims, and the novatec hub. and use a r shimano rs20 front wheel i have lying around until i can afford a better front wheel.

i have a v-sprint peagasus/novatec on the back and it is totally solid.
well worth the money. not light but strong.

i also have a shimano RS20 on the front.
on my second one know but the 1st did thousands of miles and stayed true.
good enough to buy a second.

Ah, that old wives' tale again. If you use a fork with less rake, you actually get slower steering due to the increased trail. However, short of riding otherwise identical bikes back to back, you're unlikely to notice the difference between 30mm and 43mm.

I doubt it. Measure your head tube and add 75mm for a conventional headset or 45mm for integrated headsets to get the practical minimum. Any less than that and you'll be back next week quizzing us about low stack headsets and stems.

Nobody has ever proven a performance difference, and most of the people who claim they can feel a difference are kidding themselves and are proven to be deluded if you swap their cranks without telling them. Shorter cranks increase your gain ratio, all else being equal, so you should reduce your gear ratio and increase you cadence to compensate if you really want to compare like with like.

Once again you've been a veritable fountain of knowledge, your advice is really appreciated. Thank you.

i have a v-sprint peagasus/novatec on the back and it is totally solid.
well worth the money. not light but strong.

i also have a shimano RS20 on the front.
on my second one know but the 1st did thousands of miles and stayed true.
good enough to buy a second.

Glad to hear that, thanks! :)

link?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/track-fixed-gear-frame-set-700CX48-50-52-54-56-58CM-/280501827025?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item414f3635d1

i see and which leader frame is that exactly? Because it doesn't look a single one of them, mostly because its a visp

You can get an unbadged Visp frame from china for ~£194 including shipping, VAT etc. on ebay.

So, that'll be fixed then.

They come out of the same factory.

Fair enough, but they still look nothing like the leader 722ts Frames. Maybe they look little bit like the 721 or 25.. but not the 722ts.

Yeah I think they are 725's I should have said that, would have saved me looking like a moron haha

They come out of the same factory.

really the exact same factory? or do they come out of the same country? as about 95% of the rest of the worlds bicycles do

Yeah I think they are 725's I should have said that, would have saved me looking like a moron haha

not really the same are they

An update on what i got and a question.
Tifosi pista fork
BB Shimano UN54
Headset FSA Orbit X
Breaks from last bike
Stem Thomson Elite MTB
Miche Primato Chainset 165mm
Rear wheel by Varno Novatec Hub on a peagasus rim. SHIMANO RS20 front.
Chain, pedals gona be cheap stuff from wherever.

Now question, building it, i've never put a bike together, can only do very basic maintenance, i don't have the tools or the proper knowledge to, for instance install BB or headset etc, so either

Where can i have it built by a bike mechanic? Any places you'd recommend in London?

Or (this is my preference) somewhere i can go where i get help get it built but also actually learn, Do the various Workshops & co ops around London (never visited any) do Building?

Or shall i go down one of the Beers around London, buy beers and get drunk knowledgeable forumites help me?!

Thanks

Digger built up my road bike for me. Just went round to his house for the afternoon with all the parts and we chilled in the garden and built it.
He is at lmnh on fridays and is good
Also Nhatt is good at bike building. I think shes at Fitzrovia cycles