For Sale: Condor Acciaio & 1982 Rossin - Campag groupset & wheels

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£1250.00 [**NO LONGER FOR SALE **having taken a bit of a pasting here, but details below anyway]

Frame: Rossin Record 58cm (c.1982) Fully resored

Wheels: Campagnolo Khamsin - New
Tyres: Schwalbe Lugano - New
Saddle: Brooks Professional/Selle Turbo (your choice) - New
Bars: Deda 215 Shallow (Silver) - New
Seatpost: Suntour Superbe - Vintage
Seatpin: Campagnolo - New
Stem: Nitto Pearl 10 - New
Bar Tape: Fizzik - New
Pedals: Not supplied

Groupset: Campag Veloce - Nearly new

The frame is in 'perfect' condition after being fully restored with all original decals replaced.
The wheels, saddle, tyres, bars and stem are new. The seatpost is vintage but in excellent condition.
The 10 speed Veloce groupset is almost new. The Campag cables are new.

Condor Acciaio details posted recently. This is photo taken today with new bartape.
More photos here. More details below in later post.
£849.00

i might be missing something, but those prices look crazy.

I think the Condor is originally like a £1200+ bike? so seems a fair price.

more so the rossin.

I seem to remember the Rossin is "for sale" to keep the wife happy.. He doesn't want to sell it, hence the price..

fair play. i don't think it will on here for £1250

fair play. i don't think it will on here for £1250

Yes, keeping the wife happy is an ongoing project....but the Rossin is like a work of art to me. At 1250 it would still be a heartbreaker to sell it.
BTW, anyone who's messed about with restoring vintage frames (properly) will know that the costs mount up alarmingly. The 1250 isn't far off the cost of putting it together. And much less than putting it back together as it would have been originally. Try it, it's fun but effing expensive!
So if no-one buys it I'll be fine, and if they do then I'll know it's gone to someone who appreciates it.
Thanks.

I'm considering refurbishing my own Rossin, but I want to source and do everything myself apart from the respraying, as opposed to taking it down to Seargent & Co or somewhere like that. All I need is to win a lot of money! Your blog will come in very useful! Good luck with the sale - looks like a fantastic build.

Here's mine, which looks quite similar and which I bought from here a few months ago: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp9f5nNkzc1qk76fko1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1318879274&Signature=EtegLOhPMJn6GwNN8OuxIEz4zwQ%3D

restoring vintage frames (properly)

It's powdercoated!

And has modern Campag components on it!

^^^my sentiments exactly.

Sorry, 'properly' didn't refer to the overall build - just the frame restoration. And yes, even with the frame, powdercoating has advantages and disadvantages. I'm having my next project frame stove enamelled (a Colnago). Really excited about it.
With the Rossin I never intended to do an authentic contemporaneous rebuild (read the blog) - I like the idea of using modern wheels and groupsets with a vintage frame. After all, if you'd offered Mario Rossin one of today's groupsets back in the 1982 he's have bitten your hand off. My Rossin could have had heavier wheels and down tube shifters, but I preferred modern kit because the bike is for riding and it rides better with modern kit. But still looks cool cos of the nice steel frame.
But if you don't like it because it's not an 'authentic' rebuild then that's fine too.
J0nathan, just about to check out your frame....I did the decals sourcing and stuck 'em on the frame etc. Just used Armourtex for the respray and Vazz for the lacquer.
Thanks.

Thumbs up to using modern components on vintage frames, so long as you don't cram them full of carbon. I think modern alloy Campag stuff looks very tasteful.

The 1250 isn't far off the cost of putting it together. And much less than putting it back together as it would have been originally.
Thanks.

This isn't true. Even Argos painted and with full Nuovo Record and cinelli bars etc you could do it from scratch for less. Assuming you don't buy the parts from ebay or BLB.

for eg. you would buy something like this
http://www.lfgss.com/thread73955.html#post2464618
keep the parts and sell the frame

If the Rossin frame was still as bought from ebay, and built with second hand NR/SR to original spec, the bike would still be worth more than it is powder-coated with modern Veloce.

This isn't true. ......... Assuming you don't buy the parts from ebay or BLB.
for eg. you would buy something like this
http://www.lfgss.com/thread73955.html#post2464618
keep the parts and sell the frame
If the Rossin frame was still as bought from ebay, and built with second hand NR/SR to original spec, the bike would still be worth more than it is powder-coated with modern Veloce.

"This isn't true" is a bit, er, harsh? Implies I'm lying. Cheers for that Hilly Ben.

I wanted to build a bike that looked brand new. Buying NOS C-Record/or other vintage Record versions IS extremely expensive. Buying any vintage/modern Campag groupset that either is or looks even nearly brand new is extremely expensive unless you're really lucky.
Buying 'something like this' unseen which is what you're recommending is fine if you're not bothered about scratches and so on. I've bought sight unseen before - a bike that *looked *great in the photos, which turned out to be average condition at best. No way could I use the parts for a build, unless I was just knocking together a runaround.
Even seeing before buying is no guarantee. I bought a Veloce chainset on this forum. It looked fine, but when it was put on the bike the chain kept falling off as the big ring was a tiny bit warped. Something you only discover 'in action'. In that instance I had to buy a new chainring, another unexpected expense.
The powdercoated frame looks perfect for my rebuild. And it's tougher than stove enamelling. The only disadvantage, apparently, is if you want to respray at a future time, as it's harder to strip the frame.
And 'having' to sell the Rossin because of pressure at home means that I'm not worried if it sells or not. It cost over £1100.00 from start to finish. I used the London Cycle Workshop for the build, which meant the job was done propely. I'm not a mechanic. Most of the parts were bought new, albeit discounted.
The £150.00 on top is something a. to make it less likely to sell b. to soften the blow if it does sell. I hope that's ok with you, 'Hilly' Ben.

It's obviously not going to sell if you're posting that you're attempting to sell it a premium to what the parts and mechanic time cost... why even bother with the hassle of listing it and justifying yourself?

There won't be a blow to soften, because it won't sell at that money.

If you're doing a rebuild/restore for pleasure, then you'll be riding it and enjoying it, so why not plough a bit of money in and build it to your tastes? But when it comes to sell, what a bike is worth aint nothing to do with "what it cost me to put together".

It's obviously not going to sell if you're posting that you're attempting to sell it a premium to what the parts and mechanic time cost... why even bother with the hassle of listing it and justifying yourself?

Easy tiger, what's it to you? As others have noticed, I'm fullfilling a promise to the missus. Was anybody forcing you/anybody to buy it? No. Now chill out... try being a bit more christian (small 'c'). There's no law that says I have to sell it for a certain price is there? Nor am I running a business. And it's only a hassle if it's something you don't want to do.

you build it for 1100 and trying to sell for 1250?
surprised at people replies?

.........blah,blah....... After all, if you'd offered Mario Rossin one of today's groupsets back in the 1982 he's have bitten your hand off................blah,blah.

suppositon. that statement is impossible to prove, unless you knew/know him of course.

sorry if i missed something.

But when it comes to sell, what a bike is worth aint nothing to do with "what it cost me to put together".

I agree, but try telling that to all the bike shops in London. A bike is worth what it sells for. There are lots of great deals on this forum. Most of those sellers would get way more on eBay as you know, but it's more hassle.

suppositon. that statement is impossible to prove, unless you knew/know him of course.

sorry if i missed something.

love the name!

I was probably more interested in my own mind as to whether it would count as a promise fulfilled given one ensures that it wouldn't sell... but that was my own idle curiousity and probably counts as me prying into something that is none of my business.

Whilst I'm personally not that keen on the build, I quite enjoyed flicking through your blogspot - nice when people take that kind of interest in something.

I was probably more interested in my own mind as to whether it would count as a promise fulfilled given one ensures that it wouldn't sell... but that was my own idle curiousity and probably counts as me prying into something that is none of my business.

Whilst I'm personally not that keen on the build, I quite enjoyed flicking through your blogspot - nice when people take that kind of interest in something.

Thanks, that's kind. The build is entirely a matter of taste for sure. I would like any Campag build on that frame, old or new. For riding I personally prefer modern shifters.
The promise fulfilled? Well we agreed I'd sell it for at least £100.00 more than the total cost. So promise fulfilled.
Bikes in shops are at least 50% more than the build cost. Profit to manufacturer, profit to shop etc etc. So it' was actually a good deal, despite what **SOME **people have been saying here, bearing in mind the modern goupset/classic frame mix. I could only have done it cheaper using second hand bits, without a trade account somewhere.
BTW the costs include wheels bought at trade price, groupset for £245.00 (including new chainring), bars reduced online, Nitto Pearl 10 bought at trade (still £58.00!). Workshop fees very reasonable as friend of owner/mechanic. So it's not like I was charging **top **dollar.

I'm considering refurbishing my own Rossin, but I want to source and do everything myself apart from the respraying, as opposed to taking it down to Seargent & Co or somewhere like that. All I need is to win a lot of money! Your blog will come in very useful! Good luck with the sale - looks like a fantastic build.

Here's mine, which looks quite similar and which I bought from here a few months ago: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp9f5nNkzc1qk76fko1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1318879274&Signature=EtegLOhPMJn6GwNN8OuxIEz4zwQ%3D

Yours looks really nice as is. What's the groupset, is it in good nick? If groupset is good you're laughing as a good respray isn't prohibitive, and with the parts polished up etc the bike would look fantastic. The wheels look nice too.
If you're going to add modern groupset and wheels that's where it can become price unless you're lucky!
If you do a rebuild I'd love to add photos to the rossin blog so stay in touch if possible?