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  • I have put my saddle lower and cleats further back to alleviate achilles pain but then they've stayed pretty much like for several years.

    On road ultras I've felt like I settle into a lower position than normal, but that hasn't needed any adjustments, I just don't really use the hoods much.

    I think the shorter reach works together with more saddle setback, as Heine probably says too. Then again some seem to put the saddle more forward for ultras because of aerobars but that doesn't really work for me.

    These are not written with this perspective but might be interesting if you haven't read them yet.
    https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/seat-set-back-for-road-bikes/

    https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/

  • The Steve Hogg posts are excellent, I've used them a bit but good to re-read. In his language what I'm getting at is that my (and everyone else's) balance point changes. While I'm putting out enough power to hold my torso up on day one, by day 3 or 4, I'm not, and so more weight goes onto my arms by default. So - from a functional, rather than anatomical, point of view I think my fit should change. Shame Steve is not able to answer questions any more!

    In TCR 2019 I found that made riding on the hoods painful. I tried to adjust by putting the seat back but that made the reach too long. I was on the aerobars virtually all the time - even on the first bit of the off-road climb up to the radio station - as it was the only comfortable position, but hadn't done any core strength work (I have now), and got Shermer's.

    I hope that the core stuff has put me in a better place for long days in the aerobars, but I'll want to use the hoods a bit, so trying to anticipate the issues that might arise.

    Anyway, the answer to my question is pretty clear - no-one else is feeling the need to adjust mid-race so thanks guys.

  • Shame Steve is not able to answer questions any more!

    No, but scherrit is.

  • Sure - trying to get a slot in his diary

  • Yes, I saw that yesterday. Chris Bennett, who I know from IndyPac, is doing it.

  • I'd love to but I've got bills to pay. I've got a mate in Canada so have talked about doing something over there for years. Nathan (TABR org) was talking about organising this a few years ago. Maybe he got too busy to do it and when someone else stepped up he helped out.

  • 12,500km means they're not going to get that many takers, are they? Either retired or don't need to work.

    Canada is so much wider than the US with all the Atlantic provinces. And instead of starting in Vancouver, they have tacked on a leg up to the north so you are already on 2, 500km when you hit the Pacific coast!

  • Yeah, I'm not sure of the target market for the race (retirees and influencers), but if the route becomes established like the TransAm route then it could get a lot more interest from cycle tourers doing chunks at a time.

  • The loop round Prince Edward Island at 10,000 km is going to be pretty annoying

  • Race Through Poland taking no prisoners

    "Natalia Rudzka of pair 124 crashed hard on a rocky downhill trail near CP2. According to her riding partner Bartosz, who is a doctor, Natalia hit her head and it did look quite serious, so emergency services were called and she was airlifted off the mountain by helicopter. Everybody was very much concerned until after some hours, there was finally news that she got away with only bruises."

    Today’s scratch report is not a pleasant read. It brings home again through how much pain and adversity these riders are going through.

    Cap 4 Wojciech Bystrzycki is out with an achilles injury.
    Cap 8 Łukasz Piotrów reported under training.
    Cap 10 Peter Borko broke a wheel on the gravel section of Kráľova hoľa. He sends his thanks for the race and says even though he cannot finish it, it was a very nice experience.
    Cap 14 Alexander Bosch has developed an issue with his right knee that was only getting worse to the point where it became impossible to keep going.
    Cap 15 Brendan Cassidy suffered from a bad case of food poisoning.
    Cap 39 Karol Kamyczek had to let his strong top ten position go due to knee pain and a strong cough.
    Cap 56 Grzegor Kowal, unknown reason.
    Cap 58 Dimitriy Kumundzhiev, unknown reason.
    Cap 72 Piotr Skweres suffered from the dreaded “Shermer's neck”.
    Cap 115 Wiktor Naraziński picked up an achilles injury.
    Cap 118 Rafał Jeleń was pushing on alone after his partner had tapped out yesterday. Rafał scratched at CP2. Quote: "If I see one more climb, I’ll probably vomit."
    Pair 124 is out due to the crash mentioned at the beginning of this post.
    

    https://dotwatcher.cc/race/race-through-poland-2022

  • and people getting lifts off mountains in this Spanish race
    https://dotwatcher.cc/race/kromvojoj-2022

  • Dramatic. It's not even that high, c.1400m

    We've got away without any major storms hitting riders on the high alpine passes in the TCR (AFAIK) but it has to happen at some point. I just hope it's not me! And not on that off-road section in Romania at 2100m...

  • I'm sure a major storm to a Spanish person is not a major storm to Scottish. It's 5C!

  • I'm sure a major storm to a Spanish person is not a major storm to Scottish. 5C is a warm day in Scotland.

  • 5C I can handle but it's the 80km/h winds that I'd be wary of! Narrow mountain roads, in the dark, etc.

  • Maybe I'm more indifferent having been out in stuff like that and worse.

  • Montenegro was pretty bad and the guys in Newton Bike Shop wouldn't let me leave when a storm was brewing that was looking like getting turning into a cyclone (it didn't but the green glow and high winds were a warning, apparently).

    I also carry a lot more built-in insulation than a lot of riders so perhaps what's hypothermia inducing for some, isn't for others. Lots of riders also don't eat enough and that can stop you in your tracks (RATN!) and shut your body's heating down, neither of which are gonna be good news up a mountain. Going ultralight and not carrying enough kit for mountain weather is another problem - see that Chinese ultra run. :(

  • 5C if you're wet through and hungry ain't good.

    80kph winds not necessarily a problem but if trees and shit are coming down or debris is all over the road I'd probably wait it out rather than pushing on (depends if I was climbing or descending and how much potential shelter was around.

    Also lots of standing water means you can't see potholes and some of those roads you don't want to find that deep one at speed, that's for sure.

  • They're still wearing puffy jackets in Spain when it's 20C :)

  • Bloody keyboard warriors

  • Does anyone have a copy of the Trans Balkan route by any chance?
    Going to Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro for two weeks in June and wanted to try and integrate some of the route if possible.

  • I went over my 'does fit change with fatigue on multi-day events?' questions with Scherrit yesterday. For interest, these were the main points:

    He reckoned that it was common for Grand Tour riders to put their saddle down by 3mm or so after the first two or three days as things tightened up - so the same would apply on an ultra.

    If I am sitting back more after a couple of days the best adjustment would be to put the saddle nose down by a degree. That should help re-establish the right pelvic tilt so that the bar distance feels right again. Changing to a shorter stem would be too radical - would either mean that I had started with completely the wrong fit or had had a collapse in core muscles.

  • Think I'm going to pull the pin on TPBR, I just cba starting and finishing in different places. The ride would be fun but the logistics are just too much faff.

    Any other events in Europe over summer anyone recommends, (with same start/finish point) likely to have places at this stage? 1000-2000km would be the sweet spot.

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