2012 Bikes

Time for the new range to be out soon.

Genesis seemed to be getting some good model out, Alfine 11 'Cross;

Inside sources tell me that Orbea are releasing a new Orbea Orca with Ultegra level Di2 for £3000 RRP!
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/shimano-ultegra-di2-first-look-30616/ + http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/2011-orbea-orca-first-ride-review-26732/ = win

That's quite clever.

It might make the standard Ultegra a bit obsolete, but if its priced right it pretty much fucks campag and sram.

I'd guess going forward DA and Ulterga mechanical will be phased out.

That's quite clever.

It might make the standard Ultegra a bit obsolete, but if its priced right it pretty much fucks campag and sram.

I'd guess going forward DA and Ulterga mechanical will be phased out.

Campag are doing leccy too. Just in a more Campag style. ie horrifically and painfully expensive.

The Aluminium Langsters are getting a more contemporary tubing shape, and colour scheme.

Hard to tell where the bike ends and the carpet begins...

Time for the new range to be out soon.

Genesis seemed to be getting some good model out, Alfine 11 'Cross;

With fucking BB7 brakes as well. I have spent a year trying to get decent braking out of the Croix de Fer's crappy Shimano discs, and because the BB7 rotors won't fit on the fork, I've been stuck with them. Bastards.

What about the BB5? or is it just the Avid brakes in general?

The Aluminium Langsters are getting a more contemporary tubing shape, and colour scheme.

The ugliness is still present though.

It might make the standard Ultegra a bit obsolete, but if its priced right it pretty much fucks campag and sram.

"Claimed weight for the levers is 313g/pair...The front derailleur (162g) ...The rear derailleur (270g)"

So, without the battery, it's already ~170g heavier than the much cheaper SRAM Force. I anticipate some severe paring of the quality of the finishing kit to get a decent carbon frame with Ultegra Di2 to hit the £3000 price point too.

I'm sure Shimano have done their market research properly and will sell enough Electric Ultegra to make the economies of scale, on which the 'keen' pricing utterly depends, work, but SRAM probably aren't quaking in their boots. There are probably more people out there with techno-fear who won't go near electronic shifting than there are techno-weenies who must have it.

Thats going to be >350g heavier than force. I bet the force is a fair chunk cheaper too. I cant see much after market potiential.

I bet they sell a fair amount of complete bikes with it though.

Brooks are doing clothing via a Japanese firm PEdALED

What about the BB5? or is it just the Avid brakes in general?

I wasn't very clear. It's tight between the fork and the rotor adaptor, and the bolts you use to attach the rotor foul the fork. The Shimano rotors are attached directly to the Centerlock adapter by flat rivets so they fit, but the Avid ones would need a new fork.

I only wish I'd seen this before I replaced the fork post-crash, as I'd have specced one to fit the brakes.

I wasn't very clear. It's tight between the fork and the rotor adaptor, and the bolts you use to attach the rotor foul the fork. The Shimano rotors are attached directly to the Centerlock adapter by flat rivets so they fit, but the Avid ones would need a new fork.

I only wish I'd seen this before I replaced the fork post-crash, as I'd have specced one to fit the brakes.

Are you hubs actually center-lock hubs?
Could'nt you just run centre lock disc's with Avid calipers?

Time for the new range to be out soon.

Genesis seemed to be getting some good model out, Alfine 11 'Cross;

I was planning on buying a frame to replace the one on my current MTB, but that Genesis is just too damn nice.

What about the BB5? or is it just the Avid brakes in general?

I've got BB5s and they're awesome, differences between them ad the BB7 is that the BB7 has adjuster knobs on both sides so you can move both pads as opposed to the BB5s where you can only adjust one with the knob and have to adjust the other with the barrel adjuster. The BB7s also have slightly larger pads (same as those found on the Juicy range). The BB7s are obviously better but not so much that i've felt the need to replace my BB5s with them.

Genesis seemed to be getting some good model out, Alfine 11 'Cross;

That is going to weigh as much as a car. I pity anyone trying to shoulder that in a race. Has it got plain track ends too? With discs? And an Alfine? That will be fun to reset after punctures...

It took me about 5-10 minutes to replace a tube on my Dutch bike, which involved removing the chainguard, disconnecting the drum brake cable and gear cable. Taking the wheel out and switching the tube, and sticking it all back together again. I imagine something as simple as disconnecting and reconnecting the gear cable would be a lot easier.

Yeah, I've replaced tubes on my Nexus-equipped bike and it's no problem. Undo nuts, unhook cable, remove wheel. replace tube, put wheel back, hook cable back in, adjust.

I've got a nexus wheel and hate its crappy guts, so I know how long it takes. I was thinking aligning the disc in track ends would be the more problematic part obviously. I think the Genesis is a awkward set-up, but each to their own. #yesiminabadmood

Well they've got those springy screw-in things so it might be OK.
I have serious lust for that Genesis. It would be better with a decent dynamo hub up front, and I don't know if the rims are any good but other than that it's great. 853 tubing, bb7s, Alfine 11 with drops.
Shame it's 1700.

I think he's talking about the disc brake rather than the internal hubs itself.

That is going to weigh as much as a car. I pity anyone trying to shoulder that in a race. Has it got plain track ends too? With discs? And an Alfine? That will be fun to reset after punctures...

The Alfine hub and shifter weighs much the same as say a 3x9 SLX set-up. Except all the weight is low down and directly over the rear tyre's contact patch. So its actually a good option for MTB'ing. Wever or not this translates to CX I dont know. I would say the spread of the gearing is what makes it less race worthy.

Also if the rear caliper mount is positioned correctly. The rear wheel should just pop in and out without need to move the claiper. I dont think unhooking the Alfine is much of a task either.

I'm just thinking what a superb tourer it would be

Someone went round the world on the Genesis Croix de Fer, an Alfine hubs one actually, broke the record too, think it's the Alfine 8 as I doubt Jtek developed a bar-end shifter for the Alfine 11 yet.

But after all, it's all about the person, not the bike.

Are you hubs actually center-lock hubs?
Could'nt you just run centre lock disc's with Avid calipers?

That's the next stage in fettling, I think. I can't imagine it'll be as good as an Avid pairing, but I will give it a go at some point. When I discovered the problem, I just put the bike back together as stock, rather than experimenting.

That is going to weigh as much as a car. I pity anyone trying to shoulder that in a race. Has it got plain track ends too? With discs? And an Alfine? That will be fun to reset after punctures...

The CdF as bought is a good 11.5Kg, but mine weighs about 20Kg in full commuting guise, with guards, rack, pannier, lock, bottles and saddlebag. I rode it stripped down as much as possible, but it was still a heavy bike, and the addition of hub gears won't help that.