For Sale: Upright Fixie Ride with Strong Track Frame

Pi x (rx2), Einstein. And I finished school in 1986.

that would still be π x 2r. what you meant to say was π x (R x R)

circumference is π x Diameter

i can see where the seller is coming from though. obviously trying to meet that bit in the market for high production numbers, entry level bikes. its pointless showing single bikes for sale around the same price because thats not something thats able to be stocked and sold as a product of the seller's company.

i think you will also have a hard time convincing enthusiasts to buy something like that, but for most people entry level is all they need however obviously you have to big up something regardless of quality otherwise you will never get a sell. i think it will be a struggle as you are trying to meet too many criteria. a good bike for everyone to buy as their run around, of a decent quality with low maintenance and cheap. i would say your best bet is to try and undercut the create/unipack bikes with similar quality bike

I just think he would be better off raising the price to £220 or £230 and getting rid of the bits that make it look like a crate. Like some nicer contact points... well, it would be a start, but he's still up against it when you look at what you can get otp from a big manufacturer for not much more.

Is the cheap fixeh market not a little saturated anyway? Is this having an alu frame really that much of a usp? especially when you take into account the target market who are probably more interested in colourful tyres than efficient power deliveries.

that would still be π x 2r. what you meant to say was π x (R x R)

circumference is π x Diameter

Rx2 = diameter.
RxR = R²

So EEI was correct

that would still be π x 2r. what you meant to say was π x (R x R)

circumference is π x Diameter

Rx2 = diameter.
RxR = R²

So EEI was correct

yeah with you now. he was refering to diameter. crossed wires. TS and EEI were both right

I just think he would be better off raising the price to £220 or £230

It's already £249 shipped, unless I read the website wrong. No, it's right there in black and white: http://www.pisquaredbikes.com/orderindex.html BICYCLE - 56 cm - Black £249 including shipping

Or £199 on Gumtree
http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/pi-squared-aluminium-single-speed-bicycle-gloss-black/84232588

read 2 lines. got bored.

i can see where the seller is coming from though. obviously trying to meet that bit in the market for high production numbers, entry level bikes. its pointless showing single bikes for sale around the same price because thats not something thats able to be stocked and sold as a product of the seller's company.

i think you will also have a hard time convincing enthusiasts to buy something like that, but for most people entry level is all they need however obviously you have to big up something regardless of quality otherwise you will never get a sell. i think it will be a struggle as you are trying to meet too many criteria. a good bike for everyone to buy as their run around, of a decent quality with low maintenance and cheap. i would say your best bet is to try and undercut the create/unipack bikes with similar quality bike

read 2 lines. got bored.

(mostly for the seller's benefit.......)

that would still be π x 2r. what you meant to say was π x (R x R)

circumference is π x Diameter

Yes. Thats why 2xR. Or Rx2. Not R x R. Whachutalkinbout? :-)

the area of a circle is π r squared. also written as π x (rxr).
π x (r x 2) is not the same thing.

The circumference of a circle is πD.
i thought you were referring to the area. when you said "Pi x (rx2), Einstein."

my mistake

Thanks chriscofferson and malaysian, very helpful

I'm just starting my company, so feedback like this is what I need. mdcc_tester seems to think everything should be perfect and that only big companies should be in the business. Work for Trek or pack your bags.

next year I might kick the whole cheap bike thing and put together something good, but I'm still figuring out what works best and balancing between what dealers want and what consumers want (rarely the same thing)

Oh, I see.

who have you sold this to so far? dealers or direct to consumers?

#genuinelyinterested

both dealers and direct

I think, with respect, you picked the wrong market to aim it at by coming here........There are a lot of knowledgable people that use this forum and the last thing they want pitched at them, is a cheap 'fixie' about 2-3 years too late.............that bandwagon has moved along a bit.
I like the idea, but they pricepoint for what you are flogging is on a par with big company's (and consequently, big company's support and R&D) products............

But then again, I've had some Weston's vintage cider and I'm a bit pissed......They might just be wank and we've seen it all before.

Not sure

Weston's vintage cider and......wank

Sounds like a great Sunday evening.

I'm thinking of grannies and toughing one out.......love hurts.

Another bottle of 8.2% Weston's is going in now

the area of a circle is π r squared. also written as π x (rxr) or*** 2πr.***
π x (r x 2) is not the same thing.

The circumference of a circle is πD.
i thought you were referring to the area. when you said "Pi x (rx2), Einstein."

my mistake

cough

mdcc_tester seems to think everything should be perfect and that only big companies should be in the business.

You know my mind as well as you know metallurgy and economics, i.e. not at all.

Only big companies can survive in a market where products have no USP, since they are the only organisations big enough to have both the bulk buying power to get things cheap and the brand visibility and distribution infrastructure to sell them in high volume. Even Dani Foffa knows this, which is why he is effectively offering a bicycle consultation and assembly service, the two things you don't have with your 'any colour you like as long as it's black' and shipping in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit]Knockdown Kit form.

If you want to be a small enterprise in the ready to ride bicycle sales sector, you need to concentrate on service and customisation, because there has to be a reason for people to pay more for your bikes than they do from a mail order company selling mass produced cookie cutter product.

If you can't build custom frames, you'll find yourself wedged into a pretty tight corner; noobs who don't have the skills to assemble their own bikes from parts may not yet be ready to part with the cash needed to get something assembled to order, so they'll buy OTP from one of the chains like Evans or Cycle Surgery. By the time they know what they want, most of them will be able to build up their own bikes from parts.

So, you can't be Trek or Roberts, maybe you want to be Tokyo Fixed or Shop 14? Then get yourself a boutique in an area thick with moneyed hipsters, and stock up with brands which have the appropriate cachet. Or be Cyclefit or Sigma Sport, reeling them in with a paid-for fitting service and selling product in the couple of hours you have to spend with the client - again, your one-size-fits-all, internet-only model needs radical modification to get into this market segment.

There is room for companies of all sizes in the bicycle industry, but only if they play to the strengths of their respective scales. Above all, whether you're Decathlon shifting Vitamins at £70 or Roberts doing bespoke £1000+ frames, you have to offer value for money in the eyes of your customers. If we're your target customers, you have signally failed that first, critical, test.

hence

andwags: can you do custom orders? I'd like mine a different colour and a Chris King headset, how much would it cost?

You know my mind as well as you know metallurgy and economics, i.e. not at all.

Only big companies can survive in a market where products have no USP, since they are the only organisations big enough to have both the bulk buying power to get things cheap and the brand visibility and distribution infrastructure to sell them in high volume. Even Dani Foffa knows this, which is why he is effectively offering a bicycle consultation and assembly service, the two things you don't have with your 'any colour you like as long as it's black' and shipping in [Knockdown%20Kit"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit]Knockdown Kit](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit) form.

If you want to be a small enterprise in the ready to ride bicycle sales sector, you need to concentrate on service and customisation, because there has to be a reason for people to pay more for your bikes than they do from a mail order company selling mass produced cookie cutter product.

If you can't build custom frames, you'll find yourself wedged into a pretty tight corner; noobs who don't have the skills to assemble their own bikes from parts may not yet be ready to part with the cash needed to get something assembled to order, so they'll buy OTP from one of the chains like Evans or Cycle Surgery. By the time they know what they want, most of them will be able to build up their own bikes from parts.

So, you can't be Trek or Roberts, maybe you want to be Tokyo Fixed or Shop 14? Then get yourself a boutique in an area thick with moneyed hipsters, and stock up with brands which have the appropriate cachet. Or be Cyclefit or Sigma Sport, reeling them in with a paid-for fitting service and selling product in the couple of hours you have to spend with the client - again, your one-size-fits-all, internet-only model needs radical modification to get into this market segment.

There is room for companies of all sizes in the bicycle industry, but only if they play to the strengths of their respective scales. Above all, whether you're Decathlon shifting Vitamins at £70 or Roberts doing bespoke £1000+ frames, you have to offer value for money in the eyes of your customers. If we're your target customers, you have signally failed that first, critical, test.

What I would have said if sober..............but he missed the 'might be wank' bit

You know my mind as well as you know metallurgy and economics, i.e. not at all.

Only big companies can survive in a market where products have no USP, since they are the only organisations big enough to have both the bulk buying power to get things cheap and the brand visibility and distribution infrastructure to sell them in high volume. Even Dani Foffa knows this, which is why he is effectively offering a bicycle consultation and assembly service, the two things you don't have with your 'any colour you like as long as it's black' and shipping in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit]Knockdown Kit form.

If you want to be a small enterprise in the ready to ride bicycle sales sector, you need to concentrate on service and customisation, because there has to be a reason for people to pay more for your bikes than they do from a mail order company selling mass produced cookie cutter product.

If you can't build custom frames, you'll find yourself wedged into a pretty tight corner; noobs who don't have the skills to assemble their own bikes from parts may not yet be ready to part with the cash needed to get something assembled to order, so they'll buy OTP from one of the chains like Evans or Cycle Surgery. By the time they know what they want, most of them will be able to build up their own bikes from parts.

So, you can't be Trek or Roberts, maybe you want to be Tokyo Fixed or Shop 14? Then get yourself a boutique in an area thick with moneyed hipsters, and stock up with brands which have the appropriate cachet. Or be Cyclefit or Sigma Sport, reeling them in with a paid-for fitting service and selling product in the couple of hours you have to spend with the client - again, your one-size-fits-all, internet-only model needs radical modification to get into this market segment.

There is room for companies of all sizes in the bicycle industry, but only if they play to the strengths of their respective scales. Above all, whether you're Decathlon shifting Vitamins at £70 or Roberts doing bespoke £1000+ frames, you have to offer value for money in the eyes of your customers. If we're your target customers, you have signally failed that first, critical, test.

well put! this saved me the previous 3 pages of senseless ranting....

thanks mdcc_tester, I'll consider what you're saying. Do you do consulting?