Osama dead

I never intended to imply that the US is a theocracy. I was alluding to Tibet in the days before the Chinese invasion.

And that really helped to the discussion on how to deal with terrorism.

And that really helped to the discussion on how to deal with terrorism.

If I am not mistaken, you were the person who brought the views of the exiled ruler of Tibet into the discussion.

yeah! and they lost a aircraft!puffffff! they could have done it on the cheap..using just one bullet, from a .50 cal- sniper rifle at 2000 yards....it can be done, it has been done...waste of resources and risking the life of soldiers assaulting....doesnt make any sense.

I dont think the "coming right at us" defence is valid at 2000yd

If I am not mistaken, you were the person who brought the views of the exiled ruler of Tibet into the discussion.

Who I think has very wise views on ethics and how we should all strive to develop compassion and wisdom in order to live in peace. Maybe you could try and read it again and come back with comments on what the message is about and if you disagree or agree with it rather than talking about the old world of Tibet? (Whose people have suffered a genocide since 1950 but because, people like you, view it as a backward country, who cares about the suffering of its people or the message of its ex-ruler.).

To be fair VeeVee, I think cliveo was referring the Dale Lama's opinion in the link you posted, regards theocracy and isolation being a bit of a mistake.

But I'm completely lost as to what this has to do with Islamic extremism and things.

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The link that I posted was a message from the dalai lama on 11/09/01. Clive I think meant that words from the dalai lama didn't have much value because of what tibet was like pre1950 ie not a democracy

Oh god, someone pass the popcorn cyanide pills.

Sadly what it has to do with Islamic extremism is that both extreme Islamists (but not all Islamists) and Tibetan Buddists (but not all Buddists), seek to impose theocracy. Theocracy, in all its shapes and forms, is not democratic and, in my view, while democracy is imperfect, it is the best thing that we have.

I am sure that the Dali Lama has said many wonderfully sage things. I am sure the Pope has as well. I am also sure that you would find any citation of the Pope offensive. The Papal States were an attempt at a theocracy and, in my view wrong. Similarly the theocracy of Tibet or Afghanistan is, in my subjective opinion, wrong. I also believe that the invasion and occupation and genocide conducted by the Chinese against the Tibetans vile and evil.

I do, however, strongly believe that one cannot argue against an intolerant theocracy by citing an example of another would be theocrat. Please bear in mind that past Dali Lamas have not always been as tolerant to other religions as the present one would appear to be and yet the present Dali Lama is supposedly a reincarnation of his forebears.

^ I agree with this.

Why the fuck did you have to be so cryptic 'till now. Stoking the flames? Buttering the popcorn for Superprecise? Hehe.

Fair enough but a terrorist died yesterday not terrorism. So what next?

Oh god, someone pass the popcorn cyanide pills.

You could log off...

Fair enough but a terrorist died yesterday not terrorism. So what next?

The world is imperfect. People are imperfect. We can, ourselves, strive for perfection but will never achieve it. Terrorism will continue despite the death of one man. With him alive it would also continue. We have to hope that his death will reduce terrorism. There is hope that it will. His survival did not present any such hope. Sadly if he had been arrested, he would have been the focus for much worse to come.

That's a bit of a false dichotomy you're coming out with there CliveO - for shame.

Isn't there always a bit of a false dichotomy at work when you're coming out? ;)

I'm wondering if I should use the Jubilee line tomorrow... or take the river boat for once? I would cycle but I can't bear showering with other people's detritus in the communal shower plug hole.

flip flops.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/984927--bin-laden-unarmed-during-u-s-attack-white-house?bn=1

Bin Laden unarmed during U.S. attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13274176

Bin Laden's daughter, aged 12 or 13, saw her father shot

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13274176

The ISI official also gave new or differing accounts of some of the events of Sunday's raid. They included:

[] ...
[] The Americans took away one person still alive, possibly a Bin Laden son

The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body.
Hmmm, one person taken away alive, Osama's body lost without trace...

Is it fair to say that the US action was against international law?

Probably, so what?

Yeah, what side are you on?
Can you even say the Pater Noster?

Gandhi was a bedwetter.

By the way, who wants to bet, that Libyan rebels will become the new Al-Qaeda by the end of the year (with NATO's help, as always)?

Tibet, before the Chinese invasion, was a theocracy, as were the Papal States before 1848

Well thank you very much for that spoiler as to how 'The Borgias' ends.

Phht.

It's bit like Newham then.

Well thank you very much for that spoiler as to how 'The Borgias' ends.

Phht.

You're saying that The Borgias have ended?

Hmmmmmm....

gutted Charlotte Green cant say "the leader of Al Queda" anymore..

Yemenis now have a good excuse to go get 'em in true American style.

Freedom is the only way I guess

You're saying that The Borgias have ended?

Hmmmmmm....

No. I was alluding to the end of 'The Borgias' (Showcase tv series) not the Borgia bloodline per se.

ill WATERBOARD him...for days.And dont tell is torture, is a Spa treatment, i had it done, i find it relaxing!

Fair enough but a terrorist died yesterday not terrorism. So what next?

T-Shirts

http://www.manilatimes.net/news/topstories/dna-tests-%E2%80%98geronimo%E2%80%99-bin-laden/

The baker
Mohammed Asif, who bakes naan bread in his simple Abbottabad shop, said that a male resident of the bin Laden compound would buy his bread for the household every day, and believed his naan formed part of the al-Qaeda chief’s last meal.
“I’m proud of it, because he was a hero who challenged America,” Asif said. “I will tell my grandchildren that it was not our army that launched an offensive against him, it was the Americans.”