Osama dead

Human Shield means 'in the way'.

Of course but I can just imagine that creep using his fucked up principles and male superiority to the very end.

This is close to what I'm thinking about:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/may/02/osamabinladen-al-qaida

Arhhh said I wouldn't get involved, going to bed!

Perhaps. Although I think he would have a better measure of what US Special Forces would be willing to do to see him dead. Perhaps he just loved his wife?

Arhhh said I wouldn't get involved, going to bed!
Same.

I am sure he loved all 4 of them. I know I do.

You've seen photos of the compound? And heard eyewitness reports of the attack? Nobody was coming out alive. Human Shield means 'in the way'.

This selective reporting doesn't make all your conspiracy bullshit any more credible though Eddie.

im not making a conspiracy by no means and am not taking any sides, im just pulling out quotes and reasons for a second opinion to trigger arguments and discussion - everyone can make their own conclusions ofcourse.

i do agree with "the world is more boring than it seems and people have real problems to get on with" but it doesn't stop the american media blowing things way out of proportions and therefore alienating most of americans (including the world) from the truth.

I just think that if everything was as straight forward as they claim there would have been more evidence and proof, but there isn't, which makes everyone else wonder.

Harem shield. Night!

I am sure he loved all 4 of them. I know I do.

You love Osama Bin Laden's wives?

^ internet weirdo.

You love Osama Bin Laden's wives?

they also released videotapes, how do you think bin laden made money all those years

im not making a conspiracy by no means and am not taking any sides, im just pulling out quotes and reasons for a second opinion to trigger arguments and discussion - everyone can make their own conclusions ofcourse.

i do agree with "the world is more boring than it seems and people have real problems to get on with" but it doesn't stop the american media blowing things way out of proportions and therefore alienating most of americans (including the world) from the truth.

I just think that if everything was as straight forward as they claim there would have been more evidence and proof, but there isn't, which makes me/and everyone else wonder.

...which is pretty close to the behaviour of tabloid, and fast/loose journalists. That's ok though. It is what it is.

fuck I wasted my 1000th post in an Osama bin Laden thread...

they also released videotapes, how do you think bin laden made money all those years

Were they the Sugarbabes?

Comparison of DNA between Bin Ladens sisters brain, and his remains allowed the authorities to to 100% certain of his identity... or presumably that of any other of her male siblings, non?

Im no scientist, but...

Oh ffs; they have his sister's brain and his brother's body? What are they trying to do; create a new, improved, inter-sex Bin Laden?

Ladies and gentlemen; the President of the United States, Barrack Frankenstein Obama.

Why the fuck did they need her whole brain then, Will? The whole fucking BRAIN!

Have these twats not seen CSI? A fucking toenail or a pube or something will do. The whole fucking brain????

I can just see Grisham with a whole fucking skull in his hand saying "I seem to have located a small amount of bio-matter"

Why the fuck did they need her whole brain then, Will? The whole fucking BRAIN!

Have these twats not seen CSI? A fucking toenail or a pube or something will do. The whole fucking brain????

It's a no-brainer.

Why the fuck did they need her whole brain then, Will? The whole fucking BRAIN!

Have these twats not seen CSI? A fucking toenail or a pube or something will do. The whole fucking brain????

Luckily the whole sister's brain thing is made up bollocks with the hospital involved denying she was ever treated there and that obviously there could have been no tissue retained.

Sue McGreevey, Mass Gen spokeswoman, says she's received a lot of inquiries and hasn't been able to "turn up any evidence" within the hospital that a bin Laden sister was ever there, or that the FBI ever requested access to any human remains.

The orginal source of his story ABC News has completely changed their tune now saying

"A DNA sample collected from bin Laden's body Sunday was compared to DNA from multiple relatives, a U.S. intelligence official told ABC News. . . .It is unclear whether bin Laden's sister, who died of brain cancer in Boston in 2005, was one of the relatives used in the comparison," writes ABC reporter Katie Moisse.

Made up bollocks???? I feel so manipulated.

So, to summarise, am I correct in reading this thread to say that the general view of the forum is that Bin Laden was a good man, misjudged by the American backed media who was unjustly persecuted by the Americans and Tony Blair and who was unlawfully murdered by the Americans but is actually still alive somewhere and carrying on his noble work?

Personally, I think he was a very evil man and, although I will not celebrate the death of any human, I feel safer with his passing.

Why the fuck did they need her whole brain then, Will? The whole fucking BRAIN!

Have these twats not seen CSI? A fucking toenail or a pube or something will do. The whole fucking brain????

Must be some kinda Islamic tradition thingy too.

Just saw Bin Laden and Elvis on a building site in Wigan?!

Bin Laden just ordered a McHappy breakfast from Acton McDonalds. Diet coke. I mean, ffs.

Personally, I think he was a very evil man and, although I will not celebrate the death of any human, I feel safer with his passing.

i agree

I think anyone who feels safer with the passing of Osama is very naive.

The US did not send three helicopters into Pakistani airspace and kill prime minister Yousuf Gilani, they killed a renowned and self-confessed terrorist leader, an ultra-conservative religious bigot of the very worst kind, a man who was happy to arrange the death of - and make recordings celebrating the killing of - men, woman and children, people's sisters and husbands, mother's and sons.

I'm not debating that. But if they have all this conclusive evidence, why the summary execution? If you do this then throw the body in the sea, as far as many will be concerned everything you just listed are unproven allegations.

Probably, so what?

So what? Because international law is there for a reason, because laws are what are meant to make the world a civilised place, because the other option is anarchy? Because by breaking them the US will have fostered a sense of injustice (again) in many people, which is entirely counterproductive?

The point is you don't pick and choose when you follow them, or follow the laws that suit you, you follow them all the time.

I guess the circus of a long protracted trial with Osama held for years on (possibly) American soil would have caused no end of problems, I can see why it might be better to simply kill him.

I can't see why it would be better. Expedient, yes. Right? No.

Which is essentially what I can see in your post here, (leaving your overly simplistic xenophobia aside) the Americans are cast as the baddies, the media guilty as their enablers and anyone who stands up to the US, regardless of what they do, regardless of whether their religious zeal takes apart the torso of a much loved 6 year old daughter or pulls the head of someone's father in two, they are, by virtue of standing up against the US, at the least to be given the benefit of the doubt.

It's amazing what a strongly held disdain for America can allow into even the most liberal mind.

It's not xenophobia, it's an observation about the cultural mindset of the US. I didn't say Al Qaeda should be given the benefit of the doubt, just that people who are alleged to be members or leaders should be given a fair trial, which is the right of any individual in a civilised society, irrespective of their alleged crimes. This is in no way an endorsement of the perpetrators.

Do you think the 'war on terror' was proportionate to the actual danger from terrorism, or do you think the danger was largely fabricated for other political aims?

Ha. I don't know because we have never been given the evidence on which it was based. But I do know that the effort put into the 'war on terror' seems to correlate with the risk, as happened yesterday.