Osama dead

To be a conspiracy it would at least require that the US were talking to - conspiring with - the UK about the timing of the event.

Yes.

This was not my claim. My claim was that the timing of the attack might have been influenced by, amongst other things, due consideration of the risk the operation would create for subsequent major public events being held by the 'allies' of the US.

Yes, you might possibly have a point here.

No, because it looks convincing, until you see the comparison posted earlier. I doubt that a bored teenager is behind it.

Convincing ? It's a laughably bad Photoshop job, 10 minutes work, the two sources are not even the same resolution, one look, even a casual glance will tell you it's a very poor chop job.

Who do you think is behind this fake image and what do you suspect is the intention ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v99na3pOqno

^^I wouldn't know about the convincing argument, other than relying on my layman's eye; not an expert on photoshop at all.

Glad you asked. Machinations are served up right from the very top. I see no reason why the death of OBL can't have been covered in the same manner as that of Saddam, who the American's wanted just as badly. We saw photographic evidence of when he was dragged from his hole in the ground, and there's even footage of him being hung if that's your bag. It happened as was claimed, as the footage insists that's the case.

With OBL, we're supposed to be satisfied with talk of burning buildings/helicopters, a corpse in the sea and a suspect photo. At the moment, that's not good enough. As you know, significant figures, such as the Queen, have films pre-made anticipating their death, so once it occurs these can be run on the news immediately. Broadcasters prepare for the inevitable. I think that the US government has done something similar, except they have been anticipating for opposite reasons. They have been prepared to knock-up a fake image of a dead OBL, to drag out when they see fit. They have planned the fake unveiling of his death as much as they have planned the actual killing of him.

I don't give a fuck about soldiers. Dead or alive.

Hmm. And who may I ask gives a fuck about you?

Of course it's also quite possible he is still alive and in US custody enjoying some really quite unpleasant interrogation before he will be shot twice in the face and images of the body released.

The new headcount of "22 dead or captured" represents all witnesses on the ground being eliminated.

It is a very strange story. It's almost as they thought that the world has been too quiet and it was time to stir some shit.

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Hmm. And who may I ask gives a fuck about you?

Don't expect an answer anytime soon, it's the second time he's flounced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgKdXYD9VBI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

It is a very strange story. It's almost as they thought that the world has been too quiet and it was time to stir some shit.

Horrendous shit to come.Have a nasty feeling something big is going to happen.

I think that the US government has done something similar, except they have been anticipating for opposite reasons. They have been prepared to knock-up a fake image of a dead OBL, to drag out when they see fit. They have planned the fake unveiling of his death as much as they have planned the actual killing of him.

"They" had nothing to do with the fake image. It has been floating around the internet for two years.

It appears the fake picture was initially published by the Middle East online newspaper themedialine.org on 29 April 2009, with a warning from the editor that it was "unable to ascertain whether the photo is genuine or not".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

If you're looking for evidence of a conspiracy, look elsewhere. This is just typical lazy journalism.

With OBL, we're supposed to be satisfied with talk of burning buildings/helicopters, a corpse in the sea and a suspect photo. At the moment, that's not good enough.

What suspect photo ? The US have not put out a suspect photo as far as I am aware, in fact I don't now that they have put out any photos of the corpse of Bin Laden, but if you know of one can you share it here, or at least point me to somewhere online where I can take a look at this suspect photo that the US authorities have put.

I think that the US government has done something similar, except they have been anticipating for opposite reasons. They have been prepared to knock-up a fake image of a dead OBL, to drag out when they see fit.

Good fucking good, you can actually see the reification of a very poorly photoshopped image someone has placed online into 'proof', the actual foundations of a conspiracy theory being laid.

Can I put a very simple question to you, let's say the credulous public buy this fiendishly clever subterfuge, do you see any potential problems with the US authorities maintaining the illusion of Bin Laden's death ? I can see a few, one obvious one being he can, next week, simply release a video telling his supporters he is healthy and alive, which would of course demolish the US's plan.

Elton John has already penned a tribute song:

Sandal in the bin.

With OBL, we're supposed to be satisfied with talk of burning buildings/helicopters, a corpse in the sea and a suspect photo.

Apparently it was a headshot and the pics are quite gruesome which is why they are debating about releasing them. They are very likely to emerge eventually.

FWIW - most of you debating conspiracies and challenging the authenticity of the event sound like those "birther" idiots. You can argue the timeline but I would imagine if it was BS it would have taken Al Qaeda less than 6 hours to come up with proof that he was still alive.

^^I wouldn't know about the convincing argument, other than relying on my layman's eye; not an expert on photoshop at all.

It is an appallingly bad photoshop job, with images of plainly differing resolutions, the source image of Bin Laden is easily available online, you would have to be a fucking idiot to produce this and think it would convince a global audience, amongst who will be thousands of PS experts, skeptics willing to investigate every pixel and trawl every image source.

It is a 10 minute chop job by some bored bloke in Photoshop.

Three outcomes.

1 - he's still alive. Least likely.
2 - he's dead in accordance with the reports of yesterday/today. Second most likely.
3 - he's been dead some time. Most likely.

All my opinion of course. I took the photo which dmczone posted on the first page in response to a request for it as the official image of his death. Clearly it isn't, as I myself have posted already about the lack of a photo substantiating his death, so forgive me being confused. Doubt wouldn't arise though were adequate validation released simultaneously or within a reasonable amount of time, which was done in the case of Hussein. The convenient truth is that nobody can confirm/deny his being tossed out to sea, for obvious reasons.

but was oussama was riding fixed gear /track/ trick?

So can anyone tell what the outcome will be to all this?

more "osama" merchendise sales like tshirts and mugs and a terrible over-budgeted hollywood movie.

but was oussama was riding fixed gear /track/ trick?

njs

This is my position. If something is not entirely as has been claimed, then the deliberate concealing of whatever is not revealed is sufficient to make me doubt the remainder. I'm prepared to bet that this story comes with a whole host of deviations, which the plain truth would not generate.

Or the media would not generate?

It would be the simplest thing in the world if he was alive for Osama to prove that he was alive. Either he is dead, or is alive but is quite happy for the world to think he is dead. Either way suits me.

Apparently it was a headshot and the pics are quite gruesome which is why they are debating about releasing them. They are very likely to emerge eventually.

FWIW - most of you debating conspiracies and challenging the authenticity of the event sound like those "birther" idiots. You can argue the timeline but I would imagine if it was BS it would have taken Al Qaeda less than 6 hours to come up with proof that he was still alive.

Well said, Al Qaeda could very simply cause the US (and all those countries expressing approval) enormous embarrassment and make great political capital from simply releasing a video of Bin Laden responding to the claims of his death.

But the problem is that conspiracy theorists know no edge to their lack of reason, if you point out the obvious flaws in their ideas they will simply expand their ideas to subsume the new evidence (imagine in this case the claim would be that Bin Laden did actually release a video showing the US claims were false but all the broadcasters are "in on it" so would not show the tape) - this process continues right up until the point where you finally show absolute proof that their theory is flawed - at which stage you yourself are also subsumed into the conspiracy ("you seem to have to answer to everything so you must be working for them").

At least he got to see his beloved Arsenal beat Man U yesterday. I hope he caught the Bolton game last week.