"Is dangerous cycling a problem" BBC

dangerous cycling by M.PS definately a problem,
total nodders
only need to see callmedave on a bike to know that.

join the (Westmonster) queue

"Now, at least in built-up areas, one stereotype, rightly or wrongly, is of well-paid men in expensive leisuirewear with a sense of entitlement and a refusal to conform to the same rules as everyone else."
LOL-CITY

Has anyone really cycled far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Has anyone really cycled far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I wanted go for to do like more of decided of further.

I doubt Andrea Leadsom is a frequent cyclist or competent MP.

the problem with women MPs is they are too nervous or take unwise positions or make maneouvres without first taking adequate observations. voters give them a wide berth because they are viewed as unpredictable.

Not much of a story that is it. It would be interesting to talk to a traffic analyst about bikes and traffic flow in the city. I'm glad they spoke to someone from the CTC though. They always give a measured and level-headed response.

I find it interesting that in Amsterdam everyone pretty much tows the line regards right-of-way and stopping for reds. London cycling is faster and more chaotic as every road user mixes. This has got a lot to do with the half-arsed cyclelanes with no right of way. Because they've been retro-fitted to the city they're incredibly slow to use and dangerous as they tend to abruptly disappear when needed the most. This leaves you at a standstill when you need to be going with the flow of the traffic.

"Now, at least in built-up areas, one stereotype, rightly or wrongly, is of well-paid men in expensive leisuirewear with a sense of entitlement and a refusal to conform to the same rules as everyone else."
LOL-CITY

I guess this means Rapha clad seniors doing a bit of 'on bike recovery' and riding to work?

This must make up about 0.01 % of UK cyclists. What a weird thing to write.

[QUOTE=miro_o;2087826]Not much of a story that is it. It would be interesting to talk to a traffic analyst about bikes and traffic flow in the city. I'm glad they spoke to someone from the CTC though. They always give a measured and level-headed response.

Just like the forum you mean

I guess this means Rapha clad seniors doing a bit of 'on bike recovery' and riding to work?

This must make up about 0.01 % of UK cyclists. What a weird thing to write.

But it is a valid comment to state that it is a current stereotype (the 'rightly-or-wrongly' being weasel words in case she gets called on it). What is wrong with her presentation is the way in which she simultaneously presents it as representational of cyclists and disavows responsibility for regurgitating that stereotype.

I'm considering writing a letter to her and my MP. With the word 'cunt' in it.

do it do it do it, its the most grown up option available to you

the problem with women MPs

But it is a valid comment to state that it is a current stereotype (the 'rightly-or-wrongly' being weasel words in case she gets called on it). What is wrong with her presentation is the way in which she simultaneously presents it as representational of cyclists and disavows responsibility for regurgitating that stereotype.

I'm considering writing a letter to her and my MP. With the word 'cunt' in it.

This is written by Jon Kelly, the journalist. Not the MP (unless I'm mistaken).

the numbers are irrelevant, unless turned into percentages, what if there was only 1 cyclist in the uk ( i know there are more!) but by that statistic it would make them a mass murderer!

boom

[]in 2008, pedal bikes made up 1.8% of urban, non-motorway traffic but were involved in just 0.25% of pedestrian deaths and below 1% of serious pedestrian injuries
[]during the same year, there were 13,272 recorded collisions between cars and bicycles, resulting in the deaths of 52 cyclists and no car drivers or passengers
[*]a study of collisions between cyclists and other vehicles from 2005-07 found police allocated blame to drivers in 60% of cases, to the cyclist in 30% and to both parties in the remainder

This is written by Jon Kelly, the journalist. Not the MP (unless I'm mistaken).
Yeah, I got carried away for a moment.

Boom -
Pedestrian casualties 2001-09

[]Killed by cycles: 18
[]Seriously injured by cycles: 434
[]Killed by cars: 3,495
[]Seriously injured by cars: 46,245

I would imagine a good chunk of the injuries are caused by nodders on mountain bikes with asda bags over their handlebars too.

How many of these pedestrians killed or injured were casued by us jumping the red light, riding on a pavement, carrying 4 tesco bags on our handlebars or doing anything that we are not supposed to? How many of these mother fucking pedestrians were hurt because they don't undestand the existance of legitimate crossing and the little green man? I bet at least half of these were caused by those fucking cunts who jumped the road knowing a bicycle is coming or they were hiding between 2 buses and decided to catch a cyclist out.

Oh another possible cause, is men on bikes (sorry but the don't deserive to be called cyclists) riding on a fucking rusted ugly lump of metal with 2 bended wheels on a pavement. This happened the other day and he threatened to run me over when I was walking ON THE PAVEMENT.

My opinion is cyclists don't cause dangerous situations, but human beings on lumps of mental that look vaguely like a bike do cause dangerous situations.

How about a law against pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists without looking. What worries me is that the onus will be on the cyclist having to able to stop regardless of the stupidity of the pedestrian.

How about a law against pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists without looking. What worries me is that the onus will be on the cyclist having to able to stop regardless of the stupidity of the pedestrian.

I am still trying to hunt down that indian looking man and woman plus 2 kids to repay me my torn ligament. Anybody seen any of them laterly? A very reasonable reward to give to you.

Wen, Cardy, was being drol, using the stereotype of women drivers and twisting it to MPs. I think. I'm pretty sure he's not a dirty sexist.

If anyone is a constituent of Leadsom they could write to her and ask why she is telling lies about Rhiannon's death in order to demonise cyclists.

There are a lot of motorists out there who have killed pedestrians and cyclists and walked away from court with very little punishment. Average fine £300. So for Leadsom to say this law makes things equal is plain wrong.

Wen, Cardy, was being drol, using the stereotype of women drivers and twisting it to MPs. I think. I'm pretty sure he's not a dirty sexist.

Stereotype of women drivers or women cyclists?

Drivers.

lumps of mental

This is definately the source of the problem.

Excellent.

Glad we got that sorted.

Wen, Cardy, was being drol, using the stereotype of women drivers and twisting it to MPs. I think. I'm pretty sure he's not a dirty sexist.

thank you. glad it didn't go over everyone's head.

Stereotype of women drivers or women cyclists?

yep women cyclists. see the bbc article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8296971.stm that was linked from t'other one

"This can be a problem as vehicles may not regard you as part of the traffic flow and don't give the right amount of space. It means they may be tempted to come closer to you," says Mrs Johnston.

Drivers don't regard you as part of the traffic flow anyway no matter where you are.