"Is dangerous cycling a problem" BBC

I understand that, but from my experience most of he accidents/near misses I've had in my car are because of the numpties driving these huge things. It could be that the ones I've come across always have a couple of kids in them and the parent doesn't know how to prioritise their concentration on the road. In find many 'boy racers' to be better drivers than many adults with kids in the car. Mainly because of their concentration level is so much higher.

I've got the opposite. Most of near misses were with pillocks in Clios with blackened windows (with opened front windows to vent the skunk's vapour).
But then I drive a 7 seater.

yes mpv = motor powered vehicle.

as my mum said if they made the roads 20 effin mph it would not be worth having a car.

and i think she is right. with 20 mph many people would not bother to have a car. so less cars = less crashes = less deaths.

less debt cos it is £3-£4k a year to run car = less illegal drivers.

i suspect the elders will not give up their car. they keep driving just slower and safer please.

but it is the youngsters coming up that are the future of the community and they are the important ones to aim this policy at.

and with 20 mph they can get used to cycling in their teens and when they get to car driving age i reckon many of them will think no need for a car.

(whereas when me and my mates got to car drivng age a car was a must have).

so i think 20 mph has culture changing / defining potential.

that is what i reckon anyway.

We spoke about it before.
20 mph would hopefully put some people off. The type who drop off kids to school in 4x4. Or goes for a bucket of chicken and chips down the road in a P reg Corsa.

I'd still need a car for certain journeys - no matter what speed. I've tried shopping on my bike with panniers and a trailer and it's awkward to do so for a family of 5. I don't cars if care were electric and such - I just need a big vehicle.

what you need is a Bullitt;

So you want to humiliate me even further. Like it's not enough I own a 7 seater. Ice cream seller's bicycle?

It's a good one, though. I'd definitely own one if I was in Amsterdam or Kopenhagen.
Or when London becomes Somebody's dream city.

People already riding those bike in London, it's perfectly doable

20 mph isn't designed to affect the whole country, just residential streets and town centres, how is that making driving unpleasant? It just makes sure it is safer for all the other folk that use the roads.
What is having an impact probably unwittingly I think is the unreal insurance costs for young drivers. £3,000 to insure a mini for an 18 year old boy? (an old type mini too!)
That will eventually teach a whole generation that motoring is so expensive it isn't worth while.
So the aspirations of a lot of young people is a bike, especially as bikes and fashion have started to merge. It will take a while but as long as cycling is seen as trendy, or rebellious, or different youngsters will naturally be attracted to it.
Hopefully.

Oliver have I ever told you Iove you (when you do amazing posts like that^^^^ on the interminablenet)?

Thanks. It's hardly amazing to lay into the journalistically challenged, though.

i don't have a bike computer/heart rate/gps/twat meter on my any of my bikes (because they look shit)

Never a truer word spoken.

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I'd still need a car for certain journeys - no matter what speed. I've tried shopping on my bike with panniers and a trailer and it's awkward to do so for a family of 5. I don't cars if care were electric and such - I just need a big vehicle.

If the fixed anual costs of motoring - insurance and tax - were changed to per mile, there'd be less incentive to drive when it wasn't needed, just when it was. Pay per mile insurance does this to some extent, as does city car. Moving VED onto fuel instead would possibly help too.

The problem with cars is - they need to be driven often in order to function properly.

I own a roadster I haven't used since last year. I've noticed during the last MOT the emissions become very high. And the engine will probably pack up soon, as there's no lubrication.

Is Somebody actually writing his posts ENTIRELY IN CAPS and the forum software is changing them to lower case?

It's alright, they're cycling caps, although he does wear several at a time, which is a bit worrying.

thats ok then i will do the same in

it feels rather strange to have freed myself from the tyranny of using capital letters and punctuation

'Is dangerous typing a problem?'

You have no idea Oliver

^^ Rhetorical question. :)

The problem with cars is - they need to be driven often in order to function properly.

I own a roadster I haven't used since last year. I've noticed during the last MOT the emissions become very high. And the engine will probably pack up soon, as there's no lubrication.

Hence the success of the car/van-sharing schemes. You get a brand-new vehicle which is used every day and only pay per journey and the car dies of mileage instead of rust.

unless there five years old there is no excuse for cycling on the pavement, especially when its because they have no lights!!!

They're.

are they though?

Cyclists 'urged to get insurance'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15892074