Diet

Do any of you part-time Gillian McKeith's have any tips for overcoming a hangover?

I can bonk when doing nothing, just not eating regular. I have a blood glucose meter and have seen it crash all the way down to 1-2 (should be 6-8). Its probably connected to my diabetic pre-disposition.

When actually doing sports like cycling, I can manage alright if I eat well. But when it comes, boy does it come. When I used to ride more, and skate. BMX and play football etc. Id have a bonk experience everyday. But I wasnt managing it well back then.

By the state i saw you on Sunday, and a previous Saturday mr Dan Watson, i would recommend a gun.

(pint of water before you go to bed, avoiding ebay and sellers of trilbys and charlie and the chocolate factory specs)

Do any of you part-time Gillian McKeith's have any tips for overcoming a hangover?

Dont think there is anything besides drinking some water and remembering not to do it again.

i still want fig rolls.

useless you lot are.

Thinking back to the extremely diluted carbohydrate comments.. how long until we see homeopathic sports drinks on shop shelves? Bottled water containing 0.000000001% glucose to cure fatigue

A low jibe, but Ill take it with a microgram of salt... ba dum tish!

My main hobby at the moment is weightlifting, and I try to manipulate diet to be optimal for that too.

So. What do you eat when gearing up for a session in the gym? Given that you "bonk" doing nothing, I bet its a pretty complex feeding pattern?

Sounds like diabetes is bonking for melodramatic people...

Diabetes and bodybuilding are necessarily exclusive, the average American diabetic manages to build a hugely impressive body by consuming sugar, fat and deep fried animals.
I knew a guy, corner office attorney type, he hired and fired. He would not have anyone fat in the office, his reasoning was that if you can't control your weight through discipline or attitude then you probably can't shuffle papers or answer a phone without screwing that up, or being off sick one month per year. He didn't broadcast the opinion, he just didn't hire overweight people.
My weight crept up about four or five years ago, so I stopped drinking, stopped eating out every night and bought a bike.
My family are overweight, it's not genetic, it's just laziness. I might be a space-cadet but I at least know that I'm able to keep my weight in check.
Eat less crap, move your ass.

you cant bonk from doing nothing ,if you think you are youve never had it properly it is the most feared thing when i ride a bike.Last time I had it I went cross eyed and wanted to fall in a ditch,it took me over a week to recover.Feeling hungry and getting the knock are worlds apart

Another note for Mr Pastry:

Have you noticed that the classic cycle energy foods are carbs/sugar mixed with fat?

Classic cycle energy foods for cycling at what intensity? I'm obviously wasting my time typing this since you obviously know everything there is to know about nutrition and exercise.

Soreen, Fig Rolls etc.. Can you see that the sugar makes them high energy but the fat makes them slow to digest and a stable source of energy for an activity like cycling?
Yes Doctor Fucking Patronising. But if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know that fat contains more calories per gram (9kcal/g) compared to carbohydrate (3.75kcal/g). So actually, it's not the sugar that 'makes them high energy'.

Can you imagine the difference between munching on malt loaf during a break and downing a bottle of pop/fruit juice? Both will contain similar amounts of sugar but have different effects.
Wow, thanks for stating the obvious about liquids and solids having different effects. I really couldn't have imagined that.

Seriously though, how can you say a piece of malt loaf of unspecified size and 'a bottle of pop' of unspecified size & unspecified sugar content will contain similar amounts of sugar? That is absolute bollocks mate, you are full of shit. Nobody with any sense would 'down' an entire bottle of pop during a break, but I can't even begin to describe how stupid it is to say someone 'munching on malt loaf' and someone 'downing a bottle of pop' would be getting a similar sugar intake, without any measurements of weight or volume, or knowing the sugar content of a specific drink.

Just for your info, during a race there is no 'break' except for the type of break that involves riding harder than everyone else. You seem to think there is a 'one food fits all' for every type of cycling. You are woefully incorrect.

Malt loaf is fine for long, slow rides, or lower intensity parts of longer races, but like I said before, try eating it while riding as hard and fast as you can for an hour, and see how well you do.

Jeez, this thread was an entertaining if futile read this morning! Dan, this was really helpful.

Possibly the best thread I've read in a while, my 2p worth...

During 100mile ride at the weekend I ate:
2 bananas
1 packet of fig roles (McVites accept no substitute) swear by these.
Cake stop 1 Tiffin Cake and coffee
Cake stop 2 apple pie with custard and more coffee
Flapjack
Jelly beans

Drinks wise I tend to opt for a half/half 100% OJ and water with 1tsp of salt in each bottle for training rides. I’m not a fan of the sports energy drinks however I can stomach and use SiS ones occasionally in long Sportives where I tend to get over excited and ride above my normal pace.

Post ride I tend to mostly eat meat and fishies. Sorry MG that’s probably not helpful.

Do any of you part-time Gillian McKeith's have any tips for overcoming a hangover?

Lots of water before you go to bed then as much fried food as possible in the morning, fresh air and good cycle out to the country and back. Then spend the rest of the day half asleep on the sofa with some suitably shite early nineties movie (my tip - empire records). In the evening, tea and toast, go to bed early and voila, the next day your hangover will be gone!

Do any of you part-time Gillian McKeith's have any tips for overcoming a hangover?

Srsly, I find that eating bananas in the morning makes my hangover go away much quicker. I find it helps to slowly drink a pint of water before I go to bed. And swallowing a multivitamin & mineral tablet before the drinking session and again in the morning helped too*.

*Whether it's placebo effect I dunno, because I haven't conducted a double blind placebo controlled trial on myself, nor would I want to!

Different things work for different people though

Bananas are amazing. Empire Records more so.

Apologies. I am very passionate about these things, and somewhat obsessive about good advice.
Back OT though, I'm taking full advantage of a 45 minute commute with some good "drills" on route.
Anyhow, this morning looked like this:
Oats made with milk and dried figs. Water and Coffee - 2hrs before pedalling (6am)
Pomegranate and water mix - 20 mins before ride.
Recovery drink - within 30mins of arriving at work.

Thats my commuting breakfast.

Oats made with milk and dried figs. .

Figs are awesome in cereal.

Urrrgh 2 hours before pedalling... my issue is just not having enough time to prep food and let it digest in the morning. Way too many late nights. This morning I had three slices of birthday cake and black coffee for breakfast. Albeit my cycle to work is 5 mins max!

you cant bonk from doing nothing ,if you think you are youve never had it properly it is the most feared thing when i ride a bike.Last time I had it I went cross eyed and wanted to fall in a ditch,it took me over a week to recover.Feeling hungry and getting the knock are worlds apart

I beg to differ. The main problematic symptoms of "bonking" when doing sports is the dizziness/faintless/risk of unconsciousness that comes from becoming hypoglycaemic. But with depleted localised muscle glycogen thrown into the mix. The latter is no big deal. The former is just the same as if somebody becoming hypo for any other reason.

Urrrgh 2 hours before pedalling... my issue is just not having enough time to prep food and let it digest in the morning. Way too many late nights. This morning I had three slices of birthday cake and black coffee for breakfast. Albeit my cycle to work is 5 mins max!

How are you with dairy?

Yoghurt makes a nice quick breakfast.

Malt loaf is fine for long, slow rides, or lower intensity parts of longer races, but like I said before, try eating it while riding as hard and fast as you can for an hour, and see how well you do.

I was never really talking specifically about racing. Was trying more so to stick to the broader scope of the thread. But just for the record, if I was going to "ride hard and fast for an hour" or run etc... I would exactly be scoffing a hefty meal of fat, protein and complex carbs. Id actually find malt loaf too sugary. Thats what works for me.

Bananas are amazing. Empire Records more so.

Bananas together will REAL buttered toast is magic.

Dairy, I'm really bad with. Especially milk, some cheeses, yoghurt is sort of okay. Has to be natural though, I love it on granola. mmmmmm. Sometimes it's worth a little pain for pleasure.

I beg to differ. The main problematic symptoms of "bonking" when doing sports is the dizziness/faintless/risk of unconsciousness that comes from becoming hypoglycaemic. But with depleted localised muscle glycogen thrown into the mix. The latter is no big deal. The former is just the same as if somebody becoming hypo for any other reason.

I know what the bonk is and how to get it,you said you get it from not eating regular when doing nothing I think thats a bit far fetched for me to believe.If sombody has a diabetic condition its a totally different scenario.
Eating properly when riding isnt rocket science ,I know when to eat but could still learn from qualified experts like Pista on different types of food

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