Sphinx position

If they get banned and 3t stop making them, give it a few years and people will be paying silly money for them on ebay. To be only used on the road while wearing a Caso Warp helmet, natch.

Spinaci is actually (still) quite chap on Ebay.
And Sphinx bars are already ridiculously expensive, so it's hard to tell what will happen in near future. If you like to gamble, order 200 or 1000 pcs now and you can become rich within a couple of years by cashing all the hipster tax.

Cinelli are still making Spinaci bars as far as I can make out though, they're still listed in the 2011 catalogue.

You can use them in non-UCI events so why not? I think they're banned in mass start events in Oz but you could TT on them.

Yep, these bars are going the way of the Spinaci. I remember a fair few people using them at Herne Hill before they got banned too, and that was before the UCI were so trigger happy. Quite a few people are going to be out of pocket by the end of the year I think.

Spinaci's alive and well in 2010

People were using them en masse at Herne Hill? There's no problem for solo events in lieu of tri-bars is there?

I had a pair for road races back in those heady days of the early naughties.

I think Spinaci's are safer than the 'sphinx position' At least you're holding on to something properly. I've still got a pair, hardly used though

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3T-SPHINX-LTD-Crabon-HANDLEBARS-Track-Pista-Fixie-/250793374110?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3a6473319e#ht_996wt_1141

Even spelled crabon right!

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Complies with UCI regulations (likely you will need a shorter stem - The UCI Technological Coordinator has evaluated SPHINX and confirmed that the bar complies entirely with UCI regulations. However, stem length is critical. Read Using 3T SPHINX in UCI races before specifying your bike setup – you will likely need a shorter stem than you are used to. Follow the UCI guide, with specific reference to the comments on Article 1.3.022, specifying that the handlebar be no more than 5 cm in front of the bicycle's front axle.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

Wrong, it's 10cm.

Spinaci's alive and well in 2010

People were using them en masse at Herne Hill? There's no problem for solo events in lieu of tri-bars is there?

I had a pair for road races back in those heady days of the early naughties.

Early naughties? I thought they were banned before that.

Yeah, a few people were using them in bunch races at Herne Hill, whenever it was they were fashionable, '95 or '96. Got round the rules by dint of not extending beyond the furthest point of the handlebars iirc. I always thought them a bit lame tbh, and to use them in a local track league even more so.

There's certainly no problem using them in solo events, but as they're just a half arsed tri-bar why not just use real ones?

I declare these bars "unmanly, unsailorly, and downright un-English"

Wrong, it's 10cm.

Had me worried when I read the 5cm thing.

Now, what is the 5cm mentioned here (See PDF, page 5)?

http://www.uci.ch/includes/asp/getTarget.asp?type=FILE&id=NTI0MDY

And small frames with sharp angled stems and big drop track bars also prohibited (hands below top of front wheel) ?

Wrong, it's 10cm.

1.3.017 The distance between the internal extremities of the front forks shall not exceed 10.5 cm; the distance
between the internal extremities of the rear triangle shall not exceed 13.5 cm.

?

anyone know how they actually measure this at races?

1.3.017 The distance between the internal extremities of the front forks shall not exceed 10.5 cm; the distance
between the internal extremities of the rear triangle shall not exceed 13.5 cm.

?

They prescribe OLD of the hubs to avoid FIR wheels like Roberto Visentini used.
You cannot use 150mm downhill rear hubs.

anyone know how they actually measure this at races?

UCI made suggestions how to make a jig to check bikes.
Do we have a carpenter here?
(Note: it's for BEFORE a race, not DURING)

http://www.uci.ch/includes/asp/getTarget.asp?type=FILE&id=NjUxMTY

Now, what is the 5cm mentioned here (See PDF, page 5)?

http://www.uci.ch/includes/asp/getTarget.asp?type=FILE&id=NTI0MDY

And small frames with sharp angled stems and big drop track bars also prohibited (hands below top of front wheel) ?

http://www.lfgss.com/post1985088-25.html

d) Structure
The handlebars must be positioned in an area defined as
follows: above, by the horizontal plane of the point of support of the saddle (B); below, by the horizontal
line passing through the highest point of the two wheels (these being of equal diameter) (C);
at the rear by the axis of the steerer tube (D) and at the front by a vertical line passing through the front wheel spindle with a 5 cm tolerance (see diagram «Structure (1A)»). The distance referred to in point (A) is not applicable to the bicycle of a rider who takes part in a sprint, keirin or team** sprint**, but must not exceed 10 cm in relation to the vertical line passing through the front wheel
spindle.

This should clear things up, 5cm for enduro monkeys, 10cm for sprint

And as the sphincter bars are fairy's bars they will mostly fall into the 5cm rule.

I wonder how many people's bikes won't pass muster? it's usual at the nationals to have league riders made to move their set up just before an important race (Stelle, remember?) so it kinda makes sense to toe the line beforehand so you are not used to an illegal position.

hmmm - means nothing to me the d) structure bit

What am i even doing in this thread..

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Basically, the bars may not exceed the imaginary "box" made by the lines as indicated:

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Unless you have a body outside of the 'normal' proportions. Then you have to have something official to say that you are allowed to use the bike...

Morphological reasons will get you off things like saddle setback (if you have very short femurs) for instance. But not everything.

Early naughties? I thought they were banned before that.

Yeah, a few people were using them in bunch races at Herne Hill, whenever it was they were fashionable, '95 or '96. Got round the rules by dint of not extending beyond the furthest point of the handlebars iirc. I always thought them a bit lame tbh, and to use them in a local track league even more so.

There's certainly no problem using them in solo events, but as they're just a half arsed tri-bar why not just use real ones?

I thought it was the early naughties, maybe 98, 99. I used to pretend I was cool by holding onto my brake cables!

Be careful. Geniune, first-hand knowledge from experience isn't the norm on this forum and is treated with distrust.

I still see people holding on to the gear cables. I laugh

Be careful. Geniune, first-hand knowledge from experience isn't the norm on this forum and is treated with distrust.

I hope you mean the forum as a whole and not the track section! where at least *some *useful info is given out.

FGF aside, there aren't any helpful track forums out there really...

I thought it was the early naughties, maybe 98, 99. I used to pretend I was cool by holding onto my brake cables!

I think Spinacis were banned in the late 90s, around 1997? Cinelli protested long and loud about the ban but to no avail.