Hiplok: A new hipster lock

It's not personal ethics that will snap ribs if you land on a curb.

No, it would be the curb.

You fucking bastard you are in on it too, who do you work for, I see you only have 2,565 posts and have only been on this forum for 2 years, what makes you think you have the right to express your own views so openly ?

3 years.

:)

the fact is people in today don't take responsibility for their own actions. I mean come look the amount of times the council get sued for someone tripping on a bit protruding rock, the council don't say "you have to take responsibility for your actions" nah they get fucking sued. Same with with (only example I can think of atm) that woman who burn't her lips on coffee and sued the fuck out of mcdonalds. Anyone offering a service or product has to be so carful with regards to safety in todays world, or else they're leaving themselves wide open to be fucked over. Weather its Right or wrong, or weather the lock is a great idea or not isn't the point, the point is that it could severely worsen any damage caused by falling off your bike, presenting a major design flaw with the belt. They probably could be sued if someone was to break their spine and be wheelchaired as a direct result of damage caused by wearing the lock around their waste.

I think for a product designed and marketed the way the Hiplok is they are leaving themselves open to litigation if someone were to injure themselves.

do you have a background in law or any relevent qualifications to give this statement any authority? i'm not saying either way, no one here has any clue.

bagaboo and fabric horse are well know for the many lawsuits against them.

Duty,
Breach,
Causation,
Remoteness, and
Damage.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence[/ame]

If you sell someone something, and they harm themselves because of what you have sold them, if that harm was foreseeable then you may have to pay that person damages.

the fact is people in today don't take responsibility for their own actions.

I mean come look the amount of times the council get sued for someone tripping on a bit protruding rock, the council don't say "you have to take responsibility for your actions" nah they get fucking sued. Same with with (only example I can think of atm) that woman who burn't her lips on coffee and sued the fuck out of mcdonalds. ....

Interestingly I'm pretty sure my new interns brother was the lawyer who brought that McDonald's case... either that or it was suing them for making his client fat.

The thing people forget is, it all comes down to a balance, and it is about responsibly. The idea behind things like this, is that if someone accepts responsibly for something and then they fuck up and someone is hurt, then they should take responsibly for their action/inaction.

Also not everyone is the same. Should mentally disabled, blind, or just people who aren't very bright, not be protected?

I'm not having a pop at you, you've just got to ask yourself where you think the line should be drawn. Personally I think it has gone too far in some cases, but, overall making people be careful and aware of the repercussions of their actions is a good thing IMO.

Here is a good eg of the Courts saying you do have to accept some personal responsibly if you act like a muppet.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomlinson_v_Congleton_Borough_Council[/ame]

I have studied law, yes.

Just because it hasn't yet happened, it doesn't mean it never will.

One of my dads mates jumped out of the back of a ute and got his wedding ring snagged on the tray and ripped off his finger.

Ya dig?

Don't jump out of a ute wearing a lock?

Yep... or you risk ripping off your torso.

would you drown, if by chance you were riding along the canal and just happen to slip in???

^Filth

I always carry a trailer with me for locks and chains, spare tubs/tubes, iPad, SLR camera and other junk.
I'm in!

My point was just suggesting there are varying degrees of risk attached to different bikes and bike products but these depends on their specific purpose and target market.

I like it! BMXs should come with a factory fitted knife.

One of my dads mates jumped out of the back of a ute and got his wedding ring snagged on the tray and ripped off his finger.

My uncle tried to reach for a gun he had in the glove compartment of his car,
ended up losing track of the steering wheel, pulled his hand too fast holding the gun and shoot his own hand.
The other hand. The bullet hit the wedding ring and chopped his finger off.
True story.

-1 for saying 'fixie'

it's a word that hates bikes.

+1

My uncle tried to reach for a gun he had in the glove compartment of his car,
ended up losing track of the steering wheel, pulled his hand too fast holding the gun and shoot his own hand.
The other hand. The bullet hit the wedding ring and chopped his finger off.
True story.

incontrovertible proof that driving is dangerous I say.

My uncle tried to reach for a gun he had in the glove compartment of his car,
ended up losing track of the steering wheel, pulled his hand too fast holding the gun and shoot his own hand.
The other hand. The bullet hit the wedding ring and chopped his finger off.
True story.

Did the finger then poke his eye out?

His finger was hanging through a bit of skin.
The wedding ring never came off.

Now I ask..... why TF was he reaching for his gun?....

He never told us why

I filled the car up with petrol, handed over the Faberge egg to the attendant and was on my way.

As I arrived at the first corner I realised that I had not zero'd the trip counter, so reached through the wheel to push the zero-button.

I was exiting the corner at this point, with my arm stuck through the steering wheel, therefore winding off the lock that I had applied in order to go around the corner- almost broke my arm.

=driving whilst not paying attention is dangerous.

I once cycled with the mudguards and... wait, you know the rest.

Are you *spoke*ing to anyone in particular?

wa*i*st
not
waste.

just sayin'.

You haven't seen my waist then.