Selection process for EHBPC 2011 23-26.06.2011

Clement, what Iain is saying is that is up to you to organize a process to bid for the Euros 201.
Not that you have to organise them again

1) 48
2) Country
3) the later the better

Clement, what Iain is saying is that is up to you to organize a process to bid for the Euros 201.
Not that you have to organise them again

Anno 201, great souvenirs.
http://francoib.chez-alice.fr/hgm/img/img4a201.jpg

Oh, ok, i was thinking it was a trapped question. My english is fuckin' low...

Ok. I don't know if that's the ancient host to make the bid process goes on.

But if we need to, my opinion is:
-Bids before 2011
-Vote and questions to biders during january.

so put a thread in LOBP saying that countries that want to bid for the EUros 2011, need to submit the bid before January 2011.
them send a email to all the polo comunities across Europa
wait for the bids
everybody votes (if more than one bid)
job done!!

looks like only Barcelona will put a bid this year, but at least give the oportunity to other cities to take part

Iain, am I forgetting something?

why do we still need to select by city? I don't see the sense in this at all. Get the BEST of each country.

+1

I suspect that people are choosing "By City" out of self-interest, rather than for the benefit of a great polo spectacle.

+1

So is Geneva really gonna put a bid in for the Worlds 2011?

(I agree that the "by city" method is not that great, especially for London. The idea originally was to encourage smaller scenes to up their game/grow.)

That would be awesome, more swimming in the lake.

choosing by country will make for a a better quality tournament. its a championships not an open.

why do we still need to select by city? I don't see the sense in this at all. Get the BEST of each country.

+1

I suspect that people are choosing "By City" out of self-interest, rather than for the benefit of a great polo spectacle.

This is a difficult question. Why not make it the best 48 teams in Europe, if the important thing to have the best polo on offer?

Also, are we defining as ourselves as english, british or british & irish?

Personally, I consider myself a London & European polo player, not an english, british or british & irish polo player.

Why I voted city: I figure polo scenes are inherently scene based. These scenes are, as far as I can tell, city organized. Using arbitrary national borders is a way of getting better teams to the tourney, that's probably true, but it's still an arbitrary distinction (in my, anti-nationalistic opinion).

What Bill said.

So is Geneva really gonna put a bid in for the Worlds 2011?

Shit... 2012. Edited.

Makes more sense, we're still doing the alternating continents thing, right?
(London might be bidding for then too, ooooh!)

Cities as scenes makes sense, but by the same logic we would allow the US teams to compete too, thoughts?

I agree, Bill and Mark, about the problem of borders.
However, organizing an 'open' tournament for the whole of europe, specifically as qualification for the euros, is a bit much.
By Country is probably the second best alternative.
(imo)

About city or country.
Large question.
Both works, we make by city for the Ehbpc 2010, and Berlin by country for WHBPC 2010.

The question is also, does a national tourney gonna give people ticket for both, world and euro?

@ Jono:
2012 gonna get hard so!
Don't see why a city selection process gonna allow some us teams?

Surely, if you don't like the idea of borders, then argue against the idea of a "best of Europe" tournament.

Why not make it the best 48 teams in Europe, if the important thing to have the best polo on offer?

I realise that this would be virtually impossible to determine to everyone's statisfaction, BTW.

My feeling is you have your scene (city), then country you represent (we're British last time I checked), then the Euros (best countries in Europe), then the Worlds (best of Europe against the rest of the world).

Then there are all the other non-borders tournaments like the Opens, Masters, Invitationals, Leagues, etc. Calling the tournament the European Championships and then disregarding all the conventions for an event with that name seems a bit odd to me.

I'm not a big fan of borders, but I think we should re-define it soon before "tradition" gets involved. Currently we have hosers representing London, which could potentially be quite embarrassing...

Too much post ratio on this thread!

Cities as scenes makes sense, but by the same logic we would allow the US teams to compete too, thoughts?

The US is part of North America. It's not a nation or political body that has self-defined borders, but a region made up by the region's geography.* That is to say, I think it's different situation.

*This is a bit tenuous, Europe doesn't have super clear geographical continental borders. But the continents are, more or less, accepted as non-politically organized things.

Maybe that the Idea of country vs city is to see be the point of view of the organizers. What is the more easier way to give slot:
-Have like 80 cities who want 64 slots
-Have like 10 coutrny for 64 slots.