Vintage looks, contemporary performance

I have another article about the new Trek Malone (the carbon race-ready one), will scan that in.

That's not how it works Ed.

It would be better getting a number of cyclists with both carbon and steel bikes and testing their commute over a period of time. Unfortunately, making them aware they were testing carbon vs steel would lead to an effect on the results. It would be better to do a matched pair test, i.e. two riders of similar ability on two different bikes on the same commute. And then repeat this for a number of different matched pairs.

It might actually be interesting to do that.

I think the point the article is missing. Is that we dont give a rats arse if we save a second or two.

If all you care aout is getting from A to B,in the shortesttime possble, buy a TT bike.....

...mount it on your wall and catch the train.

My new ultra modern road race frameset, which had a RRP of £1500, not 20 months ago.

Aparantly weighs 1.38Kg frame + 550g forks.

So vintage weight, and contemporary prices. ;)

That's a saving of maybe 1-1.5lbs on a steel frame - what else does the frame give you for the £1.5k

I have another article about the new Trek Malone (the carbon race-ready one), will scan that in.

Bugsy?

That's not how it works Ed.

Of course not but he talked about how it compared to his steel bicycle that he used everyday, hence why it make an interesting reading.

I may have something along the line of bicycle technology vs. tour de france though, which related to bicycle weight and component.

If it's that article about modern day cyclists on old steel vs new bikes, I think we've read it.

Yes you had, a couple pages back with another one included.

No it's not the same article you've read.

Are we comparing elite atheletes and people who ride bikes again?

And drawing conclusions from that?

Are we comparing elite aesthetes and people who ride bikes again?

So it's all about godscoble and max "track factor" Crowe commenting on bikes again?

^ :d

Meh.

All this lack of weight, and bike stiffness gumbo, is about feeling fast. Most of the energy lost riding a heavy bike up a hill, or flexing a chainstay. Is returned, either whe you desend the other side of the hill, or the chainstay flex's back.

So yes, tests give similar time for wildly different bikes. But I dont particularly want to get to work early anyway. I do like to feel fast though.

Agreed. I commuted faster on my road bike because it had gears and brakes and all that jazz, but my track bike is lighter and means it felt nicer to accelerate or take corners on.

'Trek Malone' is funny. :)

Again, if one doesn't race professionally, there's no real advantage from "modern tubing and modern way of attaching stem", really. Is it?
The only weight shed seems to be of my wallet.

Ahead stem will steer much better. Quills flex more, can be noticed when sprinting or doing fast descents.

When do you ever sprint?

Getting away from drivers I have shouted at.

Are we comparing elite atheletes and people who ride bikes again?

this ^

Again, if one doesn't race professionally, there's no real advantage from "modern tubing and modern way of attaching stem", really. Is it?
The only weight shed seems to be of my wallet.

I find myself more confident and safe riding a modern bike, it makes cycling more fun for me.

just stumbled across this:

love it!

http://www.falconcycles.co.uk/Corporate/HOLDSWORTH/HoldsworthR1.shtml

Wow that is nice.

Interesting read in this months British Medical Journal about bicycle weight and its effect on commuting time...

http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c6801.full

The power required to overcome drag on a touring bike—steel, carbon or chocolate framed—at 15 mph (24 kph) is about 170 watts.

Are they listed in increasing rigidity?

I wonder how chocolate frames respond to crash damage - tastily, I imagine

Also:

I toyed with the idea of blinding it but, in the interest of self preservation and other road users, decided against it.

elite atheletes

Lolololll! Love it. This place is full of 'em.

Am about to put a (relatively) new group set on a late-90s steel Lemond Tourmalet. The original 90s shifters were crap and broke, so I decided to replace the whole lot. The frame looks old school, but I'm looking forward to rolling with nice new parts all over...