Stop the Cuts - National Demonstration

I'm all for bin men founding HE. An art degree will be the only way for their kids to escape the vicious circle of poverty and depravation.

Understood, I am making that claim, but as I think that is the case I can't see it as a straw man - that is I am not trying to (wilfully) misrepresent an argument, I could of course be mistaken, but my mistake, if shown to be the case, is genuine.

I hadn't thought that a straw man argument required that the person making it intentionally present a 'decoy' or otherwise fictitious position for attack, merely that it be such a position. In any case, I see the distinction.

I agree that most people engaged in this kind of conversation tend to understand the basic concepts involved, but I suspect (and my suspicions are based on their arguments) that there is a section of people who do think such a thing exists.

And when I say they think this, I don't mean to say they actively engage the idea, they more tend to be people thrust along by emotion who hold the idea unthinkingly, they've not really given it much thought, they just assume education should be 'free' without ever considering what that means.

I can sympathise with this, and it explains why you wanted to make the point you made, but it opens a can of worms about whether we can say what people 'think' about anything they haven't given much thought to. If someone says to me they think education should be free and I ask them what that means, either they clarify ('free at the point of delivery') or they say they don't know, in which case who knows what they think.

I was at pains to list a cross section of low and high earners (low - high - low - high - low) - I made the deliberate move to not list careers like bankers and politicians (which might have been seen as an appeal to popular emotions.)

We have a name for an argument that cherry picks - in this case - 'bin men' and makes it's case based on that alone.

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Yes, very good, see what you did there, except I was explaining how your use of that term led to my misunderstanding your position, not trying to make a case against you.

but it opens a can of worms about whether we can say what people 'think' about anything they haven't given much thought to.

I took the time to qualify 'think' in this context ("people thrust along by emotion who hold an idea unthinkingly").

Maybe it's better to find some new word that means that people align themselves with a position that appeals to their emotions without having really given it (the position) much thought, and specifically the consequences of that position.

Anyhow all this is very academic as I already know the answer to all this, we just need to print up loads of money so everyone is rich.

from the most wanted poster

skully bottom middle
if i could find the full set i am sure we'd see horatio in there too

flava flav in middle top

"what's the time flav??"
"riot-o-clock"

can someone post up the full set of photo's am having trouble finding them
cheers

oh yeah and nice work poking camilla with a stick
how apt
http://www.pigsticking.com/
or

here is the horatio one !

unless that is a fake tatoo this guy won't be too hard to find .... ginger too

from the most wanted poster

skully bottom middle
if i could find the full set i am sure we'd see horatio in there too

I actually know who one of these characters is, in fact he is reasonably famous (albeit z-list famous), I am surprised he's not been shopped yet.

tell me and i'll split the reward with you

unless that is a fake tatoo this guy won't be too hard to find .... ginger too

Big moustache and hair dye should do the trick.

tell me and i'll split the reward with you

Is there a reward, I don't mind compromising my personal ethics if there is a few quid in it, I could use the money to get that "down with the state" t-shirt I wanted.

Emma Bunton has a range of caps out? Strange days indeed.....

I actually know who one of these characters is, in fact he is reasonably famous (albeit z-list famous), I am surprised he's not been shopped yet.

I didnt take you for a backpack-in-da-cloob wearing UK hip hop head...

I didnt take you for a backpack-in-da-cloob wearing UK hip hop head...

I'm not, it's just that one of these blokes is fairly well known.

I'm clueless. Which one?

if it's the helemt with the face tat, post up his name and i'll shop him for free. i've seen him in a bar in dalston acting like a massive bellend

One of the wanted list is from Paris......

The sun has 11 faces on a slide show

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3230256/Student-protesters-wanted-over-violent-tuition-fee-riot.html

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/sites/co774/page01.htm

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NOTES TO EDITORS:

• It is alleged that 'Arrest 36' is the man shown in 'Picture 12'. We ask that this image is no longer published at this time.
  
  

Love how they say that, but haven't deleted the pic from their server, just edited the link off the page.

Picture 12 is gone now.

Curious that there are no pictures of the police who lost control and ran riot attacking innocent demonstrators. Surely the police have a duty to investigate their activities as well.

Easy enough to find, just change the number
http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/sites/co774/co774-10pic12.jpg

^^

Love how they say that, but haven't deleted the pic from their server, just edited the link off the page.

Picture 12 is gone now.

Easy enough to find, just change the number
http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/sites/co774/co774-10pic12.jpg

that's what I was tellin you before!