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University was free when I went (just after the Great War that was).
But had it not been then even under the old rules about what you have to earn before you have to start repaying I would still not have had to make a single contribution. I am 45.
I also currently own only one pair of trousers. It's swings and roundabouts. -
University was free when I went (just after the Great War that was).
But had it not been then even under the old rules about what you have to earn before you have to start repaying I would still not have had to make a single contribution. I am 45.
I also currently own only one pair of trousers. It's swings and roundabouts.who needs trousers.....
'I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.' -
If I were to start off studying Architecture again I'd be looking at £45,000 in fees, plus what it cost to live for five years- an easy £100,000 for the lot I would think.
Do what most people do (and have historically done) get an evening / weekend job while you are at college/university.
Starting salary for an Architect in year 4 (back when I did it) was £14,000.
Which means you don't have to pay out anything from your wages, not a single penny.
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I would also like to see all education for free, but struggle to see where the funding would come from to do this.
Genuine question: are there any countries that offer completely free university education?
The idea of free university is itself nonsensical, no such thing exists nor has ever existed, nor could exist.
The only question is who pays, the students themselves or the working man though taxation.
People seem to think that if they pay for their course it costs money - but if we take the money from the wages of bin men, engineers, nurses, doctors and hairdressers then it's somehow 'free' ?
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But now there's nothing to make them stand out from the other two parties, why would people vote for them. Self preservation may start to kick in sooner rather than later.
Why would people vote for them [Lib Dem].
Because if they ever won power they would abolish tuition fees, this to me seems like a good reason why students, especially, would want to vote for them.
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“Things got out of hand & we’d had a few drinks. We smashed the place up and Boris set fire to the toilets.” David Cameron 1986
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That's about as good an argument as I have heard so far against these fee rises.
The strongest arguments so far seem to be:
- It's not fair.
- People might be put off.
- It's not fair.
Surely the worst part is the cut to the budget of most humanity subjects departments (at least 80%?), which will mean universities will not be able to employ world class staff, my mum is an english literature lecturer, and says that the budget cuts will make her job very very hard
- It's not fair.
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Surely the worst part is the cut to the budget of most humanity subjects departments (at least 80%?), which will mean universities will not be able to employ world class staff, my mum is an english literature lecturer, and says that the budget cuts will make her job very very hard
Yep, the cuts are going to be bad, but I was talking about the hike in tuition fees.
Where did you get the figure of 80% from ?
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The cuts are in my field. I could be (probably will be) fucked for work in this country because of them. I will probably end up in some academic hell hole like Australia or America or Canada or any number of English speaking institutions that will now soar past the UK academically thanks to a an understanding that the world needs more than doctors and engineers.
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How will they effect you ?
As someone who will be, hopefully, looking for a lecturing position soon, I could be without any hope of finding a position.
Look at this: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=414043&c=1
A number of university leaders said that if Lord Browne of Madingley’s proposals to remove funding for “non-priority” subjects were pursued, they would be looking at losing between 75 and 95 per cent of teaching funds.
For example, the LSE, one of the most prestigious universities in the world, connected with over a dozen noble laureates, teacher of dozens of heads of state/government, etc.. will:
lose almost all its teaching funding, equivalent to about £7.7 million a year.
And (from another source: The Daily Telegraph, 28/10/2010, p.10, Nick Collins):
Professor Andrew Hamilton, vice-chancellor of Oxford University, has claimed that government proposals to lift the cap on university tuition fees would not tackle the shortfall created by significant cuts to teaching budgets. The depth of the cuts has generated unease with other vice-chancellors: the LSE says that proposals in the spending review and Browne report could see it lose up to GBP7.7m a year - equal to virtually all its current funding for home and EU students.
So, if one of the most respected universities in the world is on a course which will result in it not being able to pay for its teachers, what's going to happen to the lesser institutes (i.e., Middlesex losing its philosophy department - even though well respected around the world, King's [although not a lesser institute] closing down departments and firing over 200 lecturers).
Basically, I don't see much hope for entry level positions over the next few years in the UK. Of course, maybe they'll fire the high paid, experienced, respected, professors and hire new candidates because they'll be cheaper. That would be nice. Or would it? Then the government is manufacturing a UK humanities and arts brain drain.
It just seems bad no matter how you look at it.
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University was free when I went (just after the Great War that was).
But had it not been then even under the old rules about what you have to earn before you have to start repaying I would still not have had to make a single contribution. I am 45.
I also currently own only one pair of trousers. It's swings and roundabouts.Great brand, I have some of their shoes.
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