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i have a nice steel italian frame.
it has dura-ace/ultegra on it because i like the shift action and the hoods are comfortable. i don't like the thumb button on campagnolo.it "goes" properly. i shift the levers and the gears move.
i can't think of a rational reason to not use either a particular frame or groupset because of some irrational idea that certain groupsets shouldn't be used with certain kinds of frame.
cept that buerk on that telly program that put CARBON campy on a hand painted steel old school frame,
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i can't think of a rational reason to not use either a particular frame or groupset because of some irrational idea that certain groupsets shouldn't be used with certain kinds of frame.
Wanting to use Italian with Italian is perfectly rational in the world of cycling. If we didn't care, we'd all be riding around on Carrera's etc.
I have a Cinelli with DA on it. If I had £1 for everytime someone says "ooooh, you should have put Campy on that" it'd have about paid for itself by now. Ergo, people do have views.
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people have views. people are also generally set in their ways.
i've seen plenty of Colnagos/pinarellos/de rosas in adverts for the bikes with Shimano or Sram groups on them. So, if the manufacturers don't care, then no one else should either.
Since when, exactly, have the manufacturers had the right to dictate the taste of the customer? Manufacturers will go with what sells. That's not the same as saying everyone that buys stuff has taste. Austin Allegro. Humvee. And so forth.
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Some good advice here:
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The 2010 Shimano groups look a lot better, since they have gone Aero with the cable routing.
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I have both of these - two lots of Athena actually (one being Racing Triple). The Ultegra is on the back of a DA set up, as well as through another bike entirely, save for hubs.
I have to say I prefer the Campy in almost every way, save for the hood shape, where I find Shim better for my largish hands, esp when climbing out of the saddle, and the front derail, where the higher end Shim, once you get it well set-up, is arguable better to use with less trimming. That said, I prefer the Campy for CX work, as it seems to give you more range for dirt/mud etc getting involved in the drivechain.
I have also found that the Campy is more "adjust and forget", and on it goes without any further adoo. For some reason, the Shim seems to be more fidgity and need trimming more often - cable stretch difference perhaps? It also seems to last a deal more than Shim, chain and sprockets wise.
Plus, I have to say that there is something about having Campy on an italian classic steel that just "goes" properly, but that's JMV.
I only have SRAM on MTBs, so not really much use as a comparison.
All that said, they both work fine once you get them sorted properly, and you'll not ever have the other on the same bike to compare and regret, so perhaps think what you could get if you go for the cheaper option that will enhance your riding - Garmin? Rollers? Top winter kit?
I have 2008 dura ace on a old eddy merckx columbus slx frame and love it, since set up havent had to alter it but i think the cables were pre stretched. I also have a scott mc10 with XTR and it is fantastic. Never skips a gear regardless of conditions.
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I also have a scott mc10 with XTR and it is fantastic. Never skips a gear regardless of conditions.
I have always found Shimano MTB stuff better than their road offerings. But mebbe coz till pretty recently, there's not been a lot to compare it with, unless you were very interested in curia. That said, first time I rode SRAM 1:1, I was pretty much hooked.
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Since when, exactly, have the manufacturers had the right to dictate the taste of the customer? Manufacturers will go with what sells. That's not the same as saying everyone that buys stuff has taste. Austin Allegro. Humvee. And so forth.
they don't have ' the right.' not sure where you got that from. Just saying it's interesting that italian manufacturers are not nearly as hidebound and blinkered as italian bike aficionados can sometimes be.
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they don't have ' the right.' not sure where you got that from. Just saying it's interesting that italian manufacturers are not nearly as hidebound and blinkered as italian bike aficionados can sometimes be.
Leaving aside the loaded adjectives, how is that "interesting"? They sell frames - why would they care what anyone hangs off it? After all, 90%+ of the people that ever set eyes them couldn't actually tell the difference between a Campy and a Shimano deraileur. Or they sell complete bikes, they'll do for what maxes profit. Or they supply frames to someone who fits them out and they have no say anyway. Pro riding is a sponsorship game, and thus in another ball park.
None of which has anything to do with, or diminishes the worth of the aesthetic judgment of, the bicycle purchasing public who care enough to have an opinion. For my part, I'm just grateful that people can muster the effort to give a damn, or the world of cycling - frames, components, paints, clothing and all the rest of it, would be all the duller.
Oh, and to answer your actual question, I got it from your statement: "So, if the manufacturers don't care, then no one else should either.". Key word" "should". So far as I am concerned, people have the right to care if they want to, regardless of the manufacturers.
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Leaving aside the loaded adjectives, how is that "interesting"? They sell frames - why would they care what anyone hangs off it? After all, 90%+ of the people that ever set eyes them couldn't actually tell the difference between a Campy and a Shimano deraileur. Or they sell complete bikes, they'll do for what maxes profit. Or they supply frames to someone who fits them out and they have no say anyway. Pro riding is a sponsorship game, and thus in another ball park.
None of which has anything to do with, or diminishes the worth of the aesthetic judgment of, the bicycle purchasing public who care enough to have an opinion. For my part, I'm just grateful that people can muster the effort to give a damn, or the world of cycling - frames, components, paints, clothing and all the rest of it, would be all the duller.
Oh, and to answer your actual question, I got it from your statement: "So, if the manufacturers don't care, then no one else should either.". Key word" "should". So far as I am concerned, people have the right to care if they want to, regardless of the manufacturers.
'no one else should either' - to clear up confusion; that's me saying that, not Ernesto Colnago. so, not the manufacturers dictating taste ( as you think i am saying), but me instead.
presumably you don't care what i think you should do with your perfectly matched italian frames and groupsets, so why are you getting all twatty about it?
what i don't like is the italian bike-snobs turning up their noses at people who put anything other than campag on an italian bike. but i'm sure you're not like that, so no problem.
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presumably you don't care what i think you should do with your perfectly matched italian frames and groupsets, so why are you getting all twatty about it?
what i don't like is the italian bike-snobs turning up their noses at people who put anything other than campag on an italian bike. but i'm sure you're not like that, so no problem.
Which bit of me having a Cinelli with Shimano on did you not understand?
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it's what i would choose. because of price/performance/quality of construction