Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

So I gathered. Riding with some ctc types on a brevet pop one day, they kept calling 'car up'. I'd look. No car. Then one would overtake.

Bloody wierd.

No fucker signals here anyway.

In London...

This

p.s. - quite a lot of gesticulating though

Car up! (Ahead)
Car back! (Behind)

Good call!

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I always get amused with people pointing out potholes and screaming HOLE!!!! or CAR UP in Regents, or, infact, anywhere inside the M25.

Yes. Thanks mate, we're riding in London. It's just one big pothole and car maelstrom. No need to waste your breath.

Be careful in Croydon, though, I'm sure you'd appreciate the odd call of 'TRAM UP'. :)

#trollingmorganforever

Sorry, your lot are wrong. As usual.

There's not a lot of them, so they have less of a chance at being right.

#democracyofquantity
#eatmoreshitbillionsoffliescan'tbewrong

So I gathered. Riding with some ctc types on a brevet pop one day, they kept calling 'car up'. I'd look. No car. Then one would overtake.

Bloody wierd.

The CTC / Audax code is
for a car behind:- car up (there is a car up your arse)
and car down, for a car ahead (there is a car down your throat)
honest!

Get on your bike, start pedalling.
Look up. Where are you looking?
Look back. Ditto.
CTC/Audax code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Me > CTC

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No.
It's Kid A.

Who said this discussion was commuting? The original comments were about people signalling to 'nobody' whilst riding around Regents.

Regents Park is in a murky area where commuting intercepts with bunch rides and solo TT-ers.
For me Regents Park is on my commute but I do an extra couple of laps each morning to keep my fitness at an acceptable level.
I do not think the behaviour of some of the pro-mutters/mamils call them what you will is acceptable. Especially with regards to people they feel have less right to be there than they do.

So I'm spinning along Cheyne Walk towards Cremorne Road and some full-kit roadie wanker comes zipping out of a side street and straight across the zebra crossing. He realises I'm just a couple of feet from the crossing, slams on his brakes and nearly goes arse over tit.

Listen, all you useless pavement warriors: zebra crossings give priority to pedestrians, not shit cyclists who can't cope with the road. If you want me to give you priority, get off and fucking push.

Massive bellend this morning in full Galicia kit on a road bike heading to Waterloo from Elephant. First of all you very kindly swerved from left to right across a full (empty) lane without looking for no apparent reason, thus cutting me up. I then watched you stop next to a van at the next sets of lights and then deliberately swerve out in front of the van to slow the van down when the lights turned green, the van driver called you a cunt, he was pretty much on the money. You then started to admonish a motorbike rider for sitting in the ASL a bit further on, unfortuntately your tit behaviour removed any right to the moral high ground.

I also really was too polite to you when calling you out, which I now regret.

Begrudge posting this here but, just seen a trailer for this :

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-complainers

First episode is about people complaining to Tfl.

Trailer showed a LOT of footage of traffic droid.

fucking choppers, everywhere

Me, tonight. Cut a chap up on one of those little contraflow cycle lanes on a one way. Completely misjudged speed of an oncoming car. Apologised and he chuckled.

Begrudge posting this here but, just seen a trailer for this :

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-complainers

First episode is about people complaining to Tfl.

Trailer showed a LOT of footage of traffic droid.

Poor bloke has completely lost his way following his accident. And now some tabloid documentary maker is going to take the piss out him for your publicly funded entertainment.

publicly funded?

Or pubically?

stow it, husky!

"I don't buy into this whole, 'cycle as if you represent the whole cycling 'community'' idea, no other form of transport does it. Are there forums of pedestrians saying 'if you walk out into the road without looking, cyclists think all pedestrians are brain dead zombies'? Are there driver forums where people say 'If you change lane or turn without indicating, cyclists think all car drivers are unpredictable twats'? So why should we consider ourselves in the same way and take this defensive stance?"

...We've been through this.
Tell it to non extremist muslims. Tell it to youth of colour. Tell it to women in football etc..
It is not correct but like it or not as (seemingly) newcomers to the road, from a non-normalised activity and the fact that we are pretty non-uniform in our behaviour, it's a projection that will stick for a while until there are more cyclists on the road and there is a much better informed reporting from the media. Not sure how much chance there is with that fucking wattless idiot Johnson in office. The bloke that funds cycle training in London but refuses to promote it and refuses to take part in the training at all.

"Shouting 'Red!' at RLJ-ers probably won't have much effect and will only result in them thinking that you're a bit of a dick* and might even make the situation more dangerous. "

If you think pushing through pedestrian crossings whilst young children are using them is perfectly fine, then I suggest you move to Hackney...*...At least the East London ones do irony.

Saying nothing = confirmation bias.Though I seldom do it any more, when I did some have stopped in that, "What?! I have to stop, too?" way because they genuinely thought red lights were an optional extra. Some know what they're doing and have simply been shamed into stopping. Other times it's led to conversations about why it is not helpful. Takes a village to raise a child...

"The kind of driver that thinks all cyclists are RLJ-ing scum will always have a reason to hate cyclists, they hate anyone who gets in their way, it has nothing to do with us breaking traffic code Every road user breaks the highway code from time to time. These same people will often say 'why not ride on the pavement?' (unless they happen to be on the pavement). They will never be satisfied so why bother?"

Because everything they say is born out of frustration, reaction and ultimately ignorance. What we do is not normalised yet.

Until you sit in the number of staff rooms that I have and listen to pedestrian horror stories of near misses due to cyclists' unpredictability and the braggadocios come backs from teachers and teaching assistants in favour of running cyclists over....Until you sit in a room room of HGV drivers on SUD courses venting hard, visibly shaking from their frustrations about the stupid shit cyclists do and the fear it puts into them on a minute by minute basis, then I can't agree with you. Of course where possible I go through the illogical and at times suicidal infrastructure that Boris and TfL see fit to give us. Armed with facts, patience and humility they can easily be won around but there are only so many battles you can fight single handedly.
I'm not that bothered by all red jumpers (I do it myself occasionally) it's the idiots that plough through when people are crossing from blind spots that I take issue with - at the same time they moan about drivers filling the boxes at ASLs. They're the same idiots that make canals/parks/towpaths unbearable.
How does anyone know doing it on Fleet Street, that they haven't cut up a law lord who has the power to make change?

"Lets say for arguments sake every single cyclist in Britain stopped RLJ-ing tomorrow, how many years would it be before these small minded, hate filled and self centred drivers stopped thinking of cyclists in this way? They just want you out of their way. As with all prejudiced people they are happy with their stereotype and their logic is totally flawed (if every cyclist became a car driver their journey would be twice as long) so don't let their attitude have any bearing on how you ride or how you perceive others to ride because it will make no difference, and even if you spend the rest of your life screaming 'Red!!' you won't stop people RLJ ing, you'll just end up with throat cancer or some other stress related shouting disease.

And this is where responsible journalism comes into it. How any times do you see the 'if every cyclist drove then the effect on you would be...' argument put out there?? NEVER. How often do you see the, "if drivers wore helmets, there would be a 35% reduction in deaths"[sic]? Instead they ignorantly conflate the differing issues of the annoying with the lethal:

Annoying: wearing dark clothes, no lights, RLJing, cyclist not looking or signalling, not
wearing helmets.
Very few accidents can be attributed to these.

Potentially leathal: Drivers not checking, driver not indicating, cyclists belligerently following the infrastructure laid out for them.
These are what leads to slow singin, flower bringin and vigils.

Until these topics are brought to the forefront status quo it is.

repped for talking complete and utter sense ^ might even print it out so i can pass some of this off as my own in the pub later.

I'm all out of rep for MG.

Give generously peeps

^ big rep for MG

I commute on a busy four lane section for about 2.5 miles of the journey. At least once a week in the ludicrously complicated series of junctions I'll cock it up and upset a driver. This normally results in them having to wait at the lights ten seconds normal than usual.

When motorists cock it up on this section, the results have been A. Broken clavicle for me B. Smashed up faced for a girl coming off the cycle track that runs into it and C. A fatality of a pedestrian last November in heavy rain.

Bad motorists are hugely more dangerous than a bad cyclist ever is.

^^^^ Case in point:

Cyclist is critical after a collision with a van

A van drives into a cyclist, but the language used is such that the cyclist does the colliding.