Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

Everyone forgets that proprioception is the most important sense for cyclists.

This for a start, also learn your senses man. The big 5 are just that, 5. there are many more.

On the debate, what about ICE, CB radio? Bluetooth headset for the motorcyclist? Do blind people ride bikes? Do deaf peope?
Earphones cause a lot of wind noise and headphones blow off, get bumoed off. Thats more of a hinderence to the experience then safety.
Do you hear a near miss or feel it/see it? I will ride with earphones, I will commute with them but I'm a bit bummy atm so I leave it for now.

wearing headphones while riding a bicycle in town makes you less aware of your surroundings than not wearing headphones.

But you can be excellent in all other aspects of how you're riding and as a whole be better than many non-headphone-wearing cyclists.

I personally don't listen to music 'on the go' but I can completely understand why someone would.

At least people might shut up about helmets for a bit.

I always thought 'flow' was the most important sense for sweet fixi skidders.

But you can be excellent in all other aspects of how you're riding and as a whole be better than many non-headphone-wearing cyclists.

I personally don't listen to music 'on the go' but I can completely understand why someone would.

At least people might shut up about helmets for a bit.

You must have missed the bit where I wrote, quite on purpose, 'ceteris paribus'.

You can indeed be excellent in all other aspects of how you're riding and as a whole be better than many non-headphone-wearing cyclists. But if you took the headphones off, all other things remaining equal*, you would be more aware of your surroundings.

• I wrote it in English this time, just for you xx
  

I have no idea what celery has to do with road safety

Ask Clive. He knows a song about it.

I cycled home with my woolly winter hat on the other night.
Something didn't feel quite right. I felt less confident but couldn't quite put my finger on it
Then I realised that the hat being over my ears was muffling the sound slightly so I couldn't tell exactly how close vehicles behind me were or how fast they were moving. I moved it above my ears and all was well again

I've been taking pretty much constant flak for riding with headphones since Boris's little intervention this week. What's the general consensus round these parts on this issue?

Scobles still here so it can't be that dangerous to not be able to hear as long as you take extra care to compensate

Didn't Clive get on the Paris bus recently because he couldn't do the whole ride*?

• Owing to appalling conditions, if memory serves me.
  

Didn't Clive get on the Paris bus recently because he couldn't do the whole ride*?

• Owing to appalling conditions, if memory serves me.
  

Ah, yes:

http://www.reactionsnet.com/Article/3189056/Lloyds-Cycling-Club-London-to-Paris.html

so, like, there are some, like um, bad cyclists out there...

• I wrote it in English this time, just for you xx
  

Thanks, I couldn't be bothered to google it.

And as for D/deaf people: As usual, don't generalise (it's as stupid and wrong as generalising about 'cyclists')--D/deaf people are as diverse as anyone else and some will be good riders and some bad. Some will have lived with the disability from birth or for a long time, some may suddenly have become D/deaf, for some it may have been a protracted process, etc. Many D/deaf people have excellent compensation mechanisms for their lack of hearing and be very alert indeed.

Exactly that's my point though , if you take care and know that you need to look behind ect more to compensate for not hearing vehicles then I don't think it's so bad

You'd have to ask them, it really depends on individual personalities. It would certainly be the case for some for whom D/deafness is an acquired disability. However, the primary sense of importance when cycling is sight.

#gleefullystatingtheobvious

Didn't Clive get on the blue bus recently because he couldn't do the whole ride*?

• Owing to appalling conditions, if memory serves me.
  
  

So that's where he's gone

What is the fucking point of mentioning deaf people?

No-one is saying that deaf people should not cycle. They of course have the advantage of being used to operating 100% of the time with a sense missing as opposed to headphone wearers so the comparison is not valid. No-one is saying you can't cycle safely with headphones.

Ooof, no more coffee for you.

Its to make the point;- eyes are more important on the bike than ears.

Non?

this dead horse is now being flogged in two threads (that i know of).

A mint **will **take my full concentration.
I always dismount to freshen my breath. It's just dangerous otherwise.

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Follow your nose!

So who here is licking the road while they cycle? Does mint improve or degrade the experience?

Bad cyclist story.

Crazy junction in leeds called sheepscar. Deadly man.
Guy goes well infront of stopping line at lights, crossing traffic starts. Hes having a drink, shits it shuffles back, drinks more. Lights change, hes still drinking (like a boss) held up traffic and cos off like a spirograph.

I was on a bus though, so which is worse?

cos off like a spirograph.
Is this quite the vernacular amongst the youth these days?

He's leaning!