8 speed and 9 speed Campagnolo

Hi can some one tell me if i can fit 8 speed cassette on 10 speed campagnolo free hub body ?
Thx

hmm so i read this and i think i can :P s ill try

So, does anyone know where I can get an old 8 speed lockring?
Its for a UD cassette and it doesn't matter which tooth for the smallest cog as I'll be running it as a single speed hub. I just need the lockring and I can get hold of the cog I want to use easily enough.
I don't care if its 2nd hand, dirty etc....

I found this one at Harris:
http://harriscyclery.net/product/campagnolo-8-speed-cassette-lockring-for-12-16t-sku-fw9802-qc49.htm
But its $29. I was hoping more for £5 ish at most.

Its for a niceish but old and quite scratched wheel I want to put on my pub bike so doesn't have to be nice.

Anyone got an old 8 speed cassette kicking around they want to sell me the lockring from?

Oh just a thought, can I use shimano spacers? Or will I have to use those universal tube (no spline) style spacers?

Wow, I just came across this thread. I recently managed to break the hanger under my rear drop out on my old gazelle frame. I have decided to convert it to a single speed and bought the conversion kit, but to my horror the cog would not fit onto the cassette. It is an old campagnolo record set as I had a friend build up the bike for me and is a little bit of a mismatch. I took it to the local shop who said it was a miche type but I think that they were wrong and it is actually an old 8 speed set as the cassette is too wide to fit the newer single speed cog onto it.

Do you think I could find a single speed cog to fit to this old rear cassette, I am quite attached to the bike and wheels and not really too keen to fork out for a wheel rebuild or a new rear wheel.

ps it look a like a Ultra-drive 8s

Hi, I've got a similar problem and i can't sem to find out a definitive answer: I'm building a bike with an oldish 8 speed indexed campag group, but unwittingly i bought campag wheels with an 8 speed shimano 600 hub. Just wondering if anyone's had experience with swapping freehub bodies/changing spacers/ another solution? It's real annoying and i would rather not to have to try and find another pair of campag 8 speed wheels... Although if anyone's got any knocking around...?

Try it out first. You're (IIRC) 0.2mm off for every shift which totals 1.6mm at the lowest gear end once you've shifted across the block. You might be able to adjust to a compromise.

Failing that, you could maybe try getting a set of Shimano 7-speed spacers for the block.

Consult Sheldon Brown's crib sheet to see the diffeence in sprocket thicknesses and spacers, etc.

Hi, I've got a similar problem and i can't sem to find out a definitive answer: I'm building a bike with an oldish 8 speed indexed campag group, but unwittingly i bought campag wheels with an 8 speed shimano 600 hub. Just wondering if anyone's had experience with swapping freehub bodies/changing spacers/ another solution? It's real annoying and i would rather not to have to try and find another pair of campag 8 speed wheels... Although if anyone's got any knocking around...?

I bought a set of campag wheels with 8 speed cassette for my shimano equipped bike as they were cheap and new wheels were needed.
I respaced the campag cassette using custom made delrin spacers to give shimano spacing. The spacers do not need to be anything special.

Can you still buy Campag or Campag compatible 8 speed cassettes?

My venerable road bike could do with new chain and sprockets.

Thanks

cheers guys, advice much appreciated. I'll try those things out...

Can you still buy Campag or Campag compatible 8 speed cassettes?

My venerable road bike could do with new chain and sprockets.

Thanks

Yes.

Recently acquired at very reasonable expense a pair of Rigida SHP 60s on Veloce hubs for the Argos I'm doing up:

http://www.lfgss.com/picture.php?albumid=1312&pictureid=12269

Thought I'd service the hubs, so on goes the lockring remover:
http://www.lfgss.com/picture.php?albumid=1312&pictureid=12267

As it came apart, noticed all the loose sprockets with lettering A-H, A's all lined up..

Very little wear on the sprockets and dull matt finish, bit of research indicates these may be Record CS-8AL light alloy.

Anyway, disassembled hub, pretty grimy, at odds with the clean sprockets. The pawls and bearings inside all required thorough clean out. Re-assembling the three loosely sprung teeth on the pawl into the body required the patience of jobe... but all now spins buttery smooth

So now to the sprocket re-assembly, lining up A-A-A etc. just didn't look right:
http://www.lfgss.com/picture.php?albumid=1312&pictureid=12268

Dug around and found (thanks to retrobike) that in typical idiosyncratic Campagnolo fashion these are coded, so for any unfortunate who has this pre exa-drive set-up, here's the enigma machine key!
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/rks040472/8s-cassette.jpg

Need to respace a 9 speed cassette to 8 speed. Already checked Wheels Manufacturing but not too sure which width spacer I need. Anyone has some tips on this while I await n+1's reply?

Yes you can. I have run 9 speed sprockets spaced as 8 speed on a 9/10 speed hub.
'Wheels Manufacturing' or Campag make (or made) spacers for this job. They are blue plastic.

Sheldon tells you 8 and 9 speed spacings, then you can work out spacer width required

Thanks rive gauche and gattonero for the info. I think this may help too

http://branfordbike.com/articles/cassettes-and-cogs-pg60.htm

To make it clear. I have a friend who actually rides 8spd chorus gruppo, albeit the wheels are 9-10-11spd ED splined Mavic Aksiums. Why mention it?

Because Mavic lower-end wheels (even Ksyrium Equipe/Elite) used STEEL FREEHUB BODY, furthermore, a Mavic Black Lockring is PROVIDED WITH THE WHEELSET for the ExaDrive splined models. Thereby you only need a 8spd cassette, and can even spare the lockring :)

Apparently due to the different types of lockrings campy hubs use, you often need different lockring than the original 8spd to fit those cassettes to modern hubs. But mavic fortunately adresses this by providing the lockring with the wheels which are also come with steel freehub body.

Given the price of Aksiums at www.bike24.com

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=1;menu=1000,4,123,30;product=65369

they can be a nice weightreducing catch for any of the folk who's running 8spd campagnolo :)

by the way, is there anyone who actually tried to re-space an 8spd shimano cassette with beercan spacers (the beercan has thickness of 0.2mm, which is EXACTLYY what's needed) or used spacers from 7spd cassettes with 8spd cogs to achieve the required 5.0mm campagnolo 8spd spacing? Will the freehub has enough space to accept the cassette?

thank you :) ^^

Are these still for sale?

Are you sure you posted it to the intended thread? :)

Anyway, I have some news about my crashed right hand RecordTitanium ergolever.

After inquiring about the possibility of buying the only neccessary part alone (thumb release button) I was told that the item is currently out of stock, and I should wait a few weeks before it's available.

Therefore, I ended up with buying a new right hand lever, though I'll only use the thumb button, as my old lever is in faaar better condition (only minor scratch on the body and brake lever, and the rubber hood is also in a more sound condition.)

here are some pictures from the thumbie donor:

As my lever is in better aesthetic shape, (it was VGC before the crash, now it's just "GC with tiny scratches and a broken thumbshifter") I'll only use the release button from this lever.

And I'll have the rest of the shifter's parts as a backup for later times (ie: G-springs, carrier, index ratchet, return spring)

And in the end, it was only a few more bucks more expensive than the thumb button alone. (cost me approx. 22 pounds with shipping. bit overpriced, but it was urgent to get one ASAP)

£22 including shipping for the Ergo?

I just paid that for G-springs, spring mount ring and return spring...

That was a reason why I decided to go this way.

Because the thumb button would have been around 15-16 pounds alone, without the shipping., and is currently not available. I don't have time, cause weekend is coming. :)

Resurrecting the topic..

Measured the thickness and spacing of shimano splined, but not shimano made 8speed cassettes. Ie.: BBB and Sunrace.

Surprisingly, none of those cassettes were spaced for 4.8mm, rather 5. The BBB actually was 1.9mm cog with 3.1mm spacer, therefore, identical of those offered by campagnolo.

Also the lockring has a longer threaded part in order to ensure engagement. So, it seems like, anyone with riding 8spd campy just should buy either BBB or sunrace cassettes for shimano freehubs. NB: here the BBB cassettes are a bit expensive (20 euros approx.) whereas the sunrace ones are cheap as hell (10 pounds..) Both manufacturers offer 12-23, 11-21 and other useful combos, so there shouldn't be any problem with "mountain range" cassettes (though most of the shops, mostly have 11-28 in stock. )

Just my measurements, so I won't take any responsibility of someone cannot tune the RD appropriately ^^

Okay, so. Friend of mine told me to check Sunrace cassettes as they have 5mm spacing in the 8spd version.

Yesterday another mate lent me a rear wheel with an 8spd sunrace block on it. No adjustment on the limit screws, no fine-tuning the cable tension, just put the wheel in, and.

Charm. Was perfect at the first moment it got fitted. No chain rattling, totally silent running and smooth-rapid shifting. Bah.

Don't look for campy 8spd wheelsets. Buy somethng with shimano freilaufkörper then use a sunrace cassette. Cheaper and greater choice of ratios.

My 8 speed thumb shifters have gone kaput. Think it may be the G spring.

I've been offered a set of NOS 9 speed shifters at a good price. Anyone know if they would work with the 8 speed cassette/derailleur?

If not, anyone managed to repair 8 speed shifters?

All ergo levers are pretty simple to repair and the old 8spd ones are the easiest (especially pre 97- they've got fewer springs). G springs are simple to replace and can be bent open a little as a bodge. If it's just springs it'll be worth fixing the old levers.
There are two types of 9spd lever (later ones have the rounded hoods) and two types of 9spd rear mech as they changed the cable pull. The earlier 9spd mechs work fine with 8spd levers if you have an 8spd cassette. 9spd ergo will need 9spd cassette if you want it to index properly

Cheers. Repair seems to be the way forward then. Any idea where I can get my hands on some new g springs?