Tyres for track

right, well I'll see how I do with these... think am only going to make it over a handful of times over the summer, so not exactly a regular thing.

thanks for the help!

For next year Vittoria is bringing out a Diamante Pro Pista clincher; the Pro Light with no puncture protection @ 150g

http://www.vittoria.com/product/track/

And there is a new top of the range Open Corsa tyre the SC which is only available in teh sexy gumwall

http://www.vittoria.com/product/servizio-corse/

Looks ok but Veloflex Record seem to be the best. We've tried Conti Supersonic, we have a Vittoria Diamante waiting to go but the Veloflex are just smooth. Poss it's the 350tpi that make the difference. A lot of the others are struggling to get to 200. Note, the Veloflex are best on wood, they aren't puncture proof and are expensive.

As I said before, the Diamante Pro Pista looks like a re-branding of the Ultra Speed, and having used both I'd take the Ultra Speed over the Veloflex Record

What would the best "budget" tyres be for outdoor track, or at that level does it really matter?

Anything that allows a high pressure and doesn't have any pronounced "grip" profile.
I wouldn't recommend very cheap clinchers as some tend to pop off the rim at 120psi.
of course if you are a lightweight then you can get away with lower pressures and almost any road clincher will be fine.

Thanks, something like the Rubino Pro 3?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/vittoria-rubino-pro-3/

Better - http://www.wiggle.co.uk/vittoria-diamante-pro-pista-track-clincher-tyre/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

Split the difference:
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/Rubino-Pro-3-Slick-Folding-Tyre/VITTTYRF620?utm_campaign=Googlebase&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=Googlebase

Yep, 145 psi, good.

not starting a new thread for this
is there a good book anyone can reccomend that contains track drills for coaching?
cant seem to find any,
have plenty written down from training sessions but it would be good to have a reference
thanks

British Cycling level 2 track cycling handbook.

Do the course then you'll be qualified and insured to create your own drills and modify others.

thanks, I got that am doing the course this weekend,
it dosent say that much about actual drills really,
just seems wierd there is more passed down by word of mouth than written?

Fundamentally, the content of a coaching session addresses techniques/tactics which are suitable for the riders participating. Any coach will be able to develop their own exercises and variations on trusted drills and also make the session flexible enough to allow progression and adaptability.

Understand that the "what" needs a "why" before it needs a "how".

Not sure I like the term "drill" in relation to cycle coaching either...

ah, Ive been on the road doing bikeability for a few days, term just slipped in,
hear what youre saying about the session being different for every group,
before I did the L2 must admit I did a lot more coaching off the cuff, and having done about a million different session plans now, and for orienteering too
(geek but get paid for it) think about every session and group, needs, aspirations so on

Don't ever forget those basics, people do, and get bogged down in mindless detail which makes confusing and ineffective sessions.

-what sort of riders will be riding?
-what goals do you want to achieve with the session?
-which activity will be appropriate for this?

There's enough in the handbook and the gear 5-6 books to provide a basis for any group session you need to coach really, after that you need to move on to coach-led racing and discipline specific workshops.

AHA.
Gears 5-6 you say, that could be the written missing link,
actually was told they are rewriting these as they are a few years old now.

Bear in mind you have it easy with a 250m track! there's a lot of exercises which become more challenging to coach on a large (450-500) track without serious modifications and adequate rider numbers.

:)
as long as it dosent rain eh.......
will be on it sat/sun report back after. thx for advice

AHA.
Gears 5-6 you say, that could be the written missing link,

Indeed. You'll get them on the course, similar to your L2 1-2 and 3-4 full of useful sessions which you can play around with.

Split the difference:
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/Rubino-Pro-3-Slick-Folding-Tyre/VITTTYRF620?utm_campaign=Googlebase&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=Googlebase

Yep, 145 psi, good.

Thanks for that.

I was wondering whether there's any reason why 20c tyres would be a bad idea at HH? They're mentioned once or twice but I could find a definitive answer.

I did the induction and first basic training session yesterday but had to borrow a front wheel because one of the instructors thought the tyre/fork clearance was too tight to be safe - it's probably only about 1mm with a 700 x 23c Vittoria Rubino.
Therefore, I'm thinking of getting a set of Vittoria Diamante Pro Tyre 700 x 20c for track use only. I've never ridden on 20c's before so no idea what the difference would be.
I weight about 90kg if that makes any difference.

Thanks.

How would tight clearances be bad?

Dont get how it's not safe?

There's grit/mud that can get on the track from the infield and people riding their bikes to the track.

The old school bodge for super tight clearances is a couple of ball bearings on top of your wheel axle to raise the forks slightly before tightening your track nuts.

The concern was that if the fork flexes too much on the bank or a bulge develops with the tyre it could cause it to jam and end with me flying over the bars.

Being the (much) less experienced party I didn't want to argue about it with the instructor.