Planet X Kaffenback build under £1100

Just noticed the Guerciotti has an Italian BB - remember this when you buy the groupo!

Just noticed the Guerciotti has an Italian BB - remember this when you buy the groupo!

^^ This
I will be needing help selecting components as well which I will post in here at the time of buying. Such as A quill stem instead of threadless setup?!

The London Bicycle Repair workshop just off the Cut, between Waterloo and Southwark tube stations, would probably be a good bet for a build then.

Alternatively, I've got all the tools you'd need.

is this anywher near the Evans road specialist store there?

Talk to Retro di Corsa (Waterloo-based) about getting a bike built. Much cheaper than a shop, and a super nice guy.

all that said I havent really rode on an all steel geared bike, I had a steel langster which i sold for a geared bike but i have to admit i do love steel. And i want to avoid carbon completely. If i was rich would've gone for a Ti enigma or sumthing ;)

is this anywher near the Evans road specialist store there?

About 100 yards away, other side of the street down the road next to the Anchor & Hope.

Id put together a bike like this for free. Its a bloody pleasure to do, with nice new quality parts that work. A bit like those guys that buy model kits to put together, as long as you have all the right bits its rather relaxing and satisfying.

But the only times I ever get to build bikes is cheap shit MTB's while I was working in a shop, which often required bending stuff/hammers because they were so shit out of the factory.

My own bikes which are all built out of recycled miscellany.

If you're asking about value... IMO I don't think its worth dropping a grand on new parts for a road bike you're going to build yourself.

For that money you're much better off going to Condor, having a chat, getting measured, fitted and them building it for you.

why the hell is building the issue?

takes about 2 hours to build a bike up from sratch. and thats when you're baked drinking beers even

plus fitting on a stock frame is silly. you can't find your own seat height and stem length?

No issue to building. But the OP sounded as though they hadn't built bikes before, didn't have any tools and didn't actually want to 'build' the bike.

I love building bikes, but all my bikes have been built using some second hand parts, effectively giving me 'more bike' than I'd have otherwise got.

I really don't see a great deal of benefit in building a bike yourself from all new parts and even less when gears are involved. And even, even less when you're building a bike that's not about meeting some specific need that isn't easily catered for.

I strongly disagree on the sizing thing. There are countless threads/ posts on this. I'm forever trying to work out my exact fit and once gears are involved changing your setup is an arse.

The overall comments were a reflextion of my opinon. If I was going to spend that amount of money on a new bike, I would go to somewhere like Condor and have it done properly, because;

1) you'll get a proper fit,
2) you'll be able to choose your kit by trying it out and hopefully work out exactly what you want, 3) if you're buying all new parts self-builds always cost you more, and probably take longer.

Get the Guercotti, Kaffenbacks are as hideous as Pompino's in the flesh.

I'll fight you! My pompino is a jewel. And the dip in the canal has only made it nicer. The rust formation is coming along nicely.

Talk to Retro di Corsa (Waterloo-based) about getting a bike built. Much cheaper than a shop, and a super nice guy.

+1 to this.

No issue to building. But the OP sounded as though they hadn't built bikes before, didn't have any tools and didn't actually want to 'build' the bike.

I love building bikes, but all my bikes have been built using some second hand parts, effectively giving me 'more bike' than I'd have otherwise got.

I really don't see a great deal of benefit in building a bike yourself from all new parts and even less when gears are involved. And even, even less when you're building a bike that's not about meeting some specific need that isn't easily catered for.

I strongly disagree on the sizing thing. There are countless threads/ posts on this. I'm forever trying to work out my exact fit and once gears are involved changing your setup is an arse.

The overall comments were a reflextion of my opinon. If I was going to spend that amount of money on a new bike, I would go to somewhere like Condor and have it done properly, because;

1) you'll get a proper fit,
2) you'll be able to choose your kit by trying it out and hopefully work out exactly what you want, 3) if you're buying all new parts self-builds always cost you more, and probably take longer.

so condor it is then :)
i wish i had cycle to work scheme at my workplace :(

3) if you're buying all new parts self-builds always cost you more, and probably take longer.

??? Umm, I disagree with this. It takes 24 hours to get a frame and groupset delivered off the internet, and a couple of hours to build it up. Plus you save a packet buying parts yourself eg, my Kinesis 5T built up with mirage came in at £700. The same bike built with tiagra is £925 from a bike shop.

??? Umm, I disagree with this. It takes 24 hours to get a frame and groupset delivered off the internet, and a couple of hours to build it up. Plus you save a packet buying parts yourself eg, my Kinesis 5T built up with mirage came in at £700. The same bike built with tiagra is £925 from a bike shop.

Unless you pick up a series of bargins. A OTP often only cost's as much as the separate frameset+groupset+finishing kit. Its almost like you get the wheels for free. Because individuals cant come close to the buying power even smaller companies like PX/ On-One have.

I like to shop for bargins and select every single bolt. So I build my own. But, I've never managed to save money on a equivalent OTP*.

(*latest build was a suspensionless, gearless, 29er for around £1.3k )

so condor it is then :)
i wish i had cycle to work scheme at my workplace :(

I think you'll be happy.

Although as previously said ~£200 buys you a very nice second hand road frame, especially if you prefer that classic Italian look.

??? Umm, I disagree with this. It takes 24 hours to get a frame and groupset delivered off the internet, and a couple of hours to build it up. Plus you save a packet buying parts yourself eg, my Kinesis 5T built up with mirage came in at £700. The same bike built with tiagra is £925 from a bike shop.

Just can't agree with these sort of statements.

Time spent searching for those deals @ £X p/h?

My first build was done with the benifit of my dads extensive general tools - which saved some money, but I still had to buy bike ones. I kept a ridiculously accurate cost breakdown of my first build, all tools, greese, etc. Even with general tools it still came to more than you'd think. There are so many random bits that end up costing £5-15. Obviously my current builds don't bare this cost, but the first one does.

Maybe you have, but with these sort of statements ppl never count; cables, ferrals, pedals, bar tape, electrical tape, etc. Then the standard responce is "oh but I I'm taking my pedals from my other bike, I have those, my mate gave me a set of drops, etc."

Work out the true cost from start to scratch.

The true benifit of building your own bike is building your own bike.

Time spent searching for those deals @ £X p/h?

I dot this at work, so I actually make money ;)

Work out the true cost from start to scratch.

I have thanks, had to keep the receipts for insurance valuation, it came to a few quid over £700 (inclusive of everything, headset spacers etc etc etc.) It took <1 hour to find the lowest prices on everything using google shopping searches. I'm not saying that everyone can build a bike for cheap, just that I disagree with promoting the idea that buying your own parts is always more expensive.