Nodder/Fixie Skidder

i like cheese.

so, by your admission you were cycling in a less than optimum state of awareness by wearing headphones,

when you articulate to another cyclist that they also are cycling in a less than optimum state of awareness you are surprised that they reciprocate using the same sliding scale of optimum awareness

Oh James

[btw next time I see you I'd like to give those phones a go, me sennheisers are dead…]

2 BEERS PLEASE!!
2!
1!
2!

fucking forrens they just don't understand english.

I honestly think the last seven pages are a rouse by DJ just to inform everyone he has custom headphones - DJ, a man never knowingly under equiped

All of you are keyboard warriors.
Go beat off to some veronica moser and then come back here and talk civilly like the gentlemen you once so proudly dressed up like.

This place has a depressing repetitiveness that is both alluring and despicable.
I like many of the people on here, but to see you demean yourselves with this piss poor excuse for a debate upsets me.
Here's an all encompassing article that succinctly answers fuck all:
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/3/183.abstract

Damo
its comments like Kerleys that demonstrate the ineptitude of some of the people here
he has not actually read the thread but just done the daily mail knee jerk response without considering the points being made
there also seem to be a number of people who assume (despite my continued explaining otherwise) that i cannot hear anything, and that I am wearing noise excluding earphones similar to Corny
so do those of you who wont wear earphones whilst cycling also refuse to engage in conversation with other cyclists?

• clearly you are then not paying proper attention to the road whilst listening
  and then lose even further cognitive power when you start talking in response
  
  

if people wish to make dumb ass comments, then i reserve the right to say they are stupid

the point being that with earphones and proper observation i was much safer than idiot with no earphones and pisspoor observation skills

Yes, I understand the point you are making. It is much the same as saying while I drive at 20mph over the speed limit at all times I am still a safer driver than the person than drives at 40mph over the speed limit at all times.

Have to say that from the 'stories' you post on this forum you do seem to have a knack of getting into scrapes with people. I imagine you as a Larry David figure only not as funny.

When you're going at speed, the wind-rush is almost as loud as headphones. You have to tilt your head into the wind a little to lessen it, but it's still pretty noisy.

I used to ride with headphones in but no music on sometimes, because in some ways I could hear better. Nowadays, I just ride like a granny. Much safer.

Vinyl Villain

they are called custom headphones - just cos they have a bit of bendy wire to hold them in placce

All of you are keyboard warriors.
Go beat off to some veronica moser and then come back here and talk civilly like the gentlemen you once so proudly dressed up like.

This place has a depressing repetitiveness that is both alluring and despicable.
I like many of the people on here, but to see you demean yourselves with this piss poor excuse for a debate upsets me.
Here's an all encompassing article that succinctly answers fuck all:
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/3/183.abstract

I am disappointed in you! You should no better than trying to respond reasonably and rationally to things like this on the internet! What do you think this is? Some sort of student-run posh debating society forum? This is about being irreverent and laughing. And pictures of chimps.

It's the reasonable responses that depress me most.

Here's an all encompassing article that succinctly answers fuck all:
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/3/183.abstract

well done. a helmet usage study.

Don't click on the link! It's a trap!

well done. a helmet usage study.
The abstract seems to say that some people do not wear helmets, with the conclusion that they should tell more people to wear helmets.

Gripping stuff.

I clicked!!! GAH!!!

Yes, I understand the point you are making. It is much the same as saying while I drive at 20mph over the speed limit at all times I am still a safer driver than the person than drives at 40mph over the speed limit at all times.

Have to say that from the 'stories' you post on this forum you do seem to have a knack of getting into scrapes with people. I imagine you as a Larry David figure only not as funny.

but you had said, "People not prepared to admit it is actually less safe and coming up with all sorts of reasons why it is okay and then convincing themself that rather than less safe it is actually safer!"

so i have maintained that it is possibly less safe (though has probably made me more safe as it acted as a training device)

so i have maintained that it is possibly less safe (though has probably made me more safe as it acted as a training device)

Have you thought of cycle training?

shall we merge the brake/brakless helmet dayglo and earphone threads for one almight train wreck?

teebee

to fit in better here i am now trying not to think wherever possible

http://pdfserve.informaworld.com/149626_751306972_918526885.pdf

this. though i doubt visible to non university types.
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a918526885

seems to suggest that in terms of awareness (spotting 1 thing) the scale is
listening to music = control (not listening to music)
making a call
texting

however spotting 2 things
control
listening to music
phone
text

i'm not sure. but i think. and it's a hunch here. that listening to music makes you less aware.

Critical masses DJ... Remember, there is only so much of that shit you can put in one place without it all just melting down.

so i have maintained that it is possibly less safe (though has probably made me more safe as it acted as a training device)

So you were such a shit cyclist before that upgrading to just possibly-less-safe is an improvement?

Now I get it!

• full disclosure: I have been known to wear headphones while cycling on the rare occasion.
  

but you had said, "People not prepared to admit it is actually less safe and coming up with all sorts of reasons why it is okay and then convincing themself that rather than less safe it is actually safer!"

so i have maintained that it is possibly less safe (though has probably made me more safe as it acted as a training device)

would have been a lot easier if you had just said it is less safe. No buts, no covering sentences in brackets, nothing, it is just less safe - full stop.

Oh and have you seen the front page of the Mail today, great read.

Mark you could ask skydancer for his assessment of my sycling, the point of the training is to improve your cycling.

Kerley

I have made the same point repeatedly, sorry there were too many words for you to process, fuck knows how you cope with the ammount of information to process whilst on the road!

i'm not sure. but i think. and it's a hunch here. that listening to music makes you less aware.

If the music isn't too loud, I'm not so sure, because headphones kill most of the windrush, so I think it can almost balance out. But blaring music so you can't hear a thing outside yourself, yes, that will be a problem IMO. I find it's always nice to have heard Scooter Boy and his 70cc of Pure Power coming up behind you, so you know he's about to buzz about 6" past your right shoulder.

I cheat though - I put my mobile on loudspeaker in the shoulder pocket of my bag. So I get choonz AND open ears.

I'm glad you all enjoyed my last link,
i have tried to find a less useful article but failed.
here's something completely unrelated:
http://blogville.dailyadvocate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/loldog-funny-pictures-you-got-it-babe.jpg