What just happened in Newington Green?

Don't think London is that multicultural, there are many cities that are more so.

Name one.
Take your pick of any city on Earth that has people from a greater number of countries, cultures and backgrounds than London.

So Gatti, are you saying that black teenage males are just bad people?

Its clear those mentioned in the article you linked were awful people but is it really as simple as them just being bad-eggs?

Yes, its crazy and depressing that we live in a society where small groups of people do shit like this but you're sounding like you mean to say that its "cultural".

What do you think came first, the violent insert minority group here or the societal structure to cause such violence? It sounds like you're suggesting the former.

Skin colour doesn't really come into it (although reading back i did just notice a line i quoted that mentions it). I was referring more to this line "society as a whole is full of holes that causes stuff like this".

My opinion, although not backed up by much more then observation of double standards is that the people who live in these areas are more victims of themselves then anything else.

less socially deprived mentalists

the band names imo

I represent N5 blud inniiiiiiiiiit

I am mostly representing SE11

Not sure what your getting with the mental health issues, its pretty clear all of the happy slappers in the article i posted were in a sane state of mind, hence it being the 6th occasion. There is something wrong when a group of people from a certain background feel its acceptable to beat an old man to death infront of an infant, with no reason whatsoever. Something that doesn't link to socio-economic background, or a lack of chances / resources / opportunities for education.

Its a cultural problem endemic to the areas with this "gang mentality". The kind of culture and mentality that makes people think they deserve a living from others and that their problems are someone else's to solve.
Poverty in the UK is tough without a doubt, but nowhere near as tough as in other poorer countries, where people will work to survive and have respect for their fellow humans.

Its embarrassing to think that in this day an age everyone is the victim.

Very often there are mental health issues involved. Doing something repeatedly doesn't make it the act of a sane individual. It can take a single charismatic and persuasive individual, with disorders based around a failure of empathy, to whip vulnerable peers into a frenzy of antisocial behaviour. And this vulnerability (if they're not also mental) could be defined as a lack of empathy bred out of having no role models/economic hope/rewarding morality/perceived equality (if living in a less privileged social stratum, but with awareness of other strata who 'have it easy').

Fuck me, I'm working class, and it takes a lot of energy not to fly into a resentful rage and start smashing things up, as I have people's wealth and power shoved in my face on a daily basis due to living in the inner city. Of course there are greater extremes of poverty elsewhere, but you have to look at all the contributing factors in any given context. The UK's disenfranchised population are poor relative to national averages, let alone the super-affluent, and are continually bombarded with messages about the kind of luxury lifestyle they should be aspiring to. It's enough to drive people mad, and often does.

I'm not condoning these violent attacks. But you have to remember that we don't all have equal resources (financial/educational/psychological) to 'help ourselves'. I can, up to a point, thanks to being fairly bright - it's my main survival utility - and like countless others, I "work to survive, and have respect for my fellow humans" as you put it. But I can think of many times I might've been completely fucked if I hadn't have had that gift. And I've often relied heavily on the help of others, much as I've tried to get by just helping myself.

I just find it idiotic how people get territorial over a postcode. Its for the fucking postman, there's nothing gangster about it.

I suppose kids have always been at war with the neighbouring this, that or the other. Nothing new there, its just that these disputes are steadily getting more violent.

Nothing ever changes, it was just as violent when I grew up back in the 70s... Estate vs. estate, school vs. school, football club vs. football club... It's all the same... When you've got fuck-all, you fight for what little you have (or think you have)...

I understand why they get arsey about the post codes, I moved from N16 to N1 and you have to buy your own bin in N1, you can get free council pick up for larger items but this might be the root of what is making them all so cross.

I think we just got to the root of the problem, folks. Unified bin pricing will end gang warfare, you heard it here first.

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Unified bin pricing will end gang warfare, you heard it here first.

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It's a fucking postcode lottery out there brothers.

The UK's disenfranchised population are poor relative to national averages, let alone the super-affluent, and are continually bombarded with messages about the kind of luxury lifestyle they should be aspiring to. It's enough to drive people mad, and often does.

Just out of curiosity, exactly how many examples of 'the super-affluent' live in Newington Green?
How does kicking/stabbing/shooting your near neighbours help address this at all?
Could it be, and this is a controversial view I know, that these kids are just fucking cunts?

I'm not condoning these violent attacks.

Do go on...

But

And there it is.

Could it be, and this is a controversial view I know, that these kids are just fucking cunts?
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This

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Fuck 'em!

Just out of curiosity, exactly how many examples of 'the super-affluent' live in Newington Green?
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Hilarious even by your standards of comedy gold. Isn't it odd that poor people know a great deal about how the rich live but the rich know bugger all about the lives of the poor?
You don't have to live next door to them to know about their fabulous houses, their yachts, their cars, their jewelry their this that and the fucking other. And it did not used to be like this; this grotesque flaunting of gaudy excess, the half a million pound watches and the 100,00 pound holidays was never so visible. There were always rich people, famous people, there was always inequality. But there has been a huge shift in the way it is depicted, celebrated and held up to being the most worthwhile life that anyone can lead, the life that we should aspire to.
It's one thing to be poor, it's another to be poor in a society that only seems to give value not just to wealth but enormous wealth and pretty much blames the have-nots for their inability to join in the party.

@BlueQuinn - I'm not condoning these violent attacks, but I'm suggesting that the reasons behind some people becoming sociopathic are socio-economic.

There are plenty of super-affluent people living in the Newington Green environs. Check out some property prices.

Kicking/stabbing/shooting near neighbours doesn't address anything. It's nihilistic.

They might be fucking cunts, but I bet they weren't born that way; in the same way your post makes you sound like a fucking cunt, but life may also have dealt you some heavy blows.

Um, so as hinted at up thread I live in Newington Green. I live on Mildmay Grove, which is in the Mildmay Ward. I really like living here and there are plenty of fashionable young people and it is not without yummy mummies.

However, shall we look at some facts (represented graphically because for relative things the figures don't mean much)?

Overall position of the area on the indices of deprivation:

Income deprivation:

Employment deprivation:

Access to housing and service deprivation:

That last one is really important. Housing is expensive here, but it's in incredibly short supply. Yes there are yummy mummies with whole houses on my road (which cost £1 million plus) but there are (at a guess) about 5 or 6 whole houses on our road. And it's a long road.

This is a direct quote from Shelter, who put it far better than I can:

"If everything had risen at the same rate as housing our lives would be untenable. A dozen eggs would cost £9.30, a bunch of bananas £7.86 and a pack of button mushrooms £8.49*. You can imagine the cost of a weekly shop.

We couldn’t and wouldn’t accept it. Yet we do when it comes to housing, even though the effects are just as crippling. It’s now reached a point where it doesn’t just influence, but dictates, virtually every decision we make – from our choice and place of work to when we have children.

It establishes rifts within society between the housing haves and have-nots.The situation can’t go on and now is the perfect time to demand action from politicians."

Property prices do not mean there are plenty of super affluent people.

There always seems to be enough super-affluent people to buy these ridiculous properties. And a handful are enough to reinforce how people on your doorstep have X times more than you.

It's exactly the same here in Islington South. Hordes of us crammed into high-density housing, interspersed with posh dwellings. One's just been built right outside my window. In my line of sight, I now get a clear view of a huge glass-walled upper floor where the new inhabitants enjoy putting on a brightly lit bourgeois show for us at every opportunity. Insensitive doesn't begin to describe it. Ostentatious might.

I've managed not to indiscriminately slap anyone thus far. Go me.

Ha, yes, although the top of the market isn't that big, it's kind of niche, but like you say it's rammed down our throats all the time. No estate agent is going to pay to print glossy brochures of the 36.4% of local authority housing stock in Islington which is below Decent Home Standard are they?

We have one of those next door but one, it's a massive glass thing which I won't call modernist because that would be an insult to modernism, but it is modern in the broad sense. There's even a fecking stone bhudda in the back garden. Talk about cliched.

The owner drives a 3.2 litre fancypants Audi and takes the family off on bikes every weekend, no doubt to the countryside where he as no fear of his little darlings being ran over by 3.2 litre Audis or stabbed.

Thatcher vastly worsened the housing crisis, but it's all capitalism really innit. Makes me angry.

I'm off to rub some proofide into my Brookes before I go to bed so I can stop thinking about it all!

I'm going to focus on strategies for correcting a 0.8mm chainring warp, to ease my troubled mind.

The language of this survey used in some way perpetuates the situation. It is the language of unearned entitlement which in my view is one of the main causes of this kind of behaviour.

How can anyone in Stokey be "deprived" of employment? They live pretty much in central London. There are more opportunities for employment than anywhere in the country. Perhaps the figures would make more sense if the labels were "Shitness of the local schools"? I don't know.

And are people really "deprived" of income? It's a really odd phrase. Ask anyone you know and they'll probably say they are not paid enough. Is this being deprived of income? What do they mean? Is there some magic figure that they "should" get and they have some right to be pissed off if they don't earn it? If they mean below the poverty line why don't they say it?

Note to Shelter, who need a grasp of basic economics: if everything had risen at the same rate as housing so would wages. It's called inflation. Therefore it would not be untenable. It would actually be better as relative to income and retail prices housing would be far far cheaper. Housing prices are only untenable because they have risen independently of inflation.

It's exactly the same here in Islington South. Hordes of us crammed into high-density housing, interspersed with posh dwellings.

2 sides to every coin. Look on the bright side. You get to live in Islington South without having to have found a million quid.

Ironically, I'm here due to a long chain of events based around the intermittent poverty of myself, my wife, and her mum; the story starts somewhere in the late 70s. Not many people wanted to live in Old St back then…

So you beat the market and maybe singlehandedly started the whole hipster movement!

…and there are plenty who aren't over the moon about living here now (unless cocooned in their luxury dwellings).

So you beat the market and maybe singlehandedly started the whole hipster movement!

If you're suggesting I'm some kind of hipster, you've crossed a fucking line, mate.

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