What just happened in Newington Green?

Just cycled through on my way home and there were about ten police cars surrounding the park and loads of lads running riot. End of term gang war?

Yep, sorry just saw this, that's exactly what it was. That's what we get for being where all the different postcodes meet! Plus there is a big E8/N16 beef which has been going on for a while =(

What those boys need is to join HM Forces!
[/Daily Wail]

haha taggers

bloody kids
their parents need shooting ( probably a few have )

probably not the brightest kids either
isn't newington green one of the very high security police stations in london ? perfect location for a fight

isn't newington green one of the very high security police stations in london ? perfect location for a fight

Paddington Green is probably what you're thinking of, although yes, Newington Green cop shop ought to be high-sec, considering the scallies nearby...

^^ You can't just blame the parents and saying the kids aren't bright is pretty low.

Not to sound all right-on, white middle-class expert on sociology but unfortunately, being a young, black male in London still doesn't offer you the easiest of lives for various reasons.

Its obviously a large responsibility on the parents behalf but society as a whole is full of holes that causes stuff like this. Its a reaction to a cause.

I just find it idiotic how people get territorial over a postcode. Its for the fucking postman, there's nothing gangster about it.

I suppose kids have always been at war with the neighbouring this, that or the other. Nothing new there, its just that these disputes are steadily getting more violent.

Hope no-one got hurt and it was all just mouthing-off.

@ dicki, I don't mean to sound like a patronising cunt.

Why can't they just have a wander around the Peanut Vendor, Push bike shop and have a nice cup of tea and a croissant in the boulangerie like everyone else?

A massage in Shine is a nice treat as well, they should spoil themselves.

Not to sound all right-on, white middle-class expert on sociology but unfortunately, being a young, black male in London still doesn't offer you the easiest of lives for various reasons.

.

Racist, oh so racist. Well at least naive.

London is probably the most multi-cultural place in the entire world. You think it makes a difference if your black?

More to do with poverty, ghetto type segregation, crime, no role models, no middle class parents to guide you into performing the best academically and hook you up with fancy internships to guide you into fancy careers... etc etc..

Class/Culture/Social/Economical - not Racial.

The majority of nonces are white

Racist

London is probably the most multi-cultural place in the entire world. You think it makes a difference if your black?

you're.

I just find it idiotic how people get territorial over a postcode. Its for the fucking postman, there's nothing gangster about it.

You would say that, but you're probably from some bitch ass ends like SW3 or some shit.

BA1 REPRAZENTTTT.

I understand why they get arsey about the post codes, I moved from N16 to N1 and you have to buy your own bin in N1, you can get free council pick up for larger items but this might be the root of what is making them all so cross.

Not to sound all right-on, white middle-class expert on sociology but unfortunately, being a young, black male in London still doesn't offer you the easiest of lives for various reasons....

Racist, oh so racist. Well at least naive.

London is probably the most multi-cultural place in the entire world. You think it makes a difference if your black?

More to do with poverty, ghetto type segregation, crime, no role models, no middle class parents to guide you into performing the best academically and hook you up with fancy internships to guide you into fancy careers... etc etc..

Class/Culture/Social/Economical - not Racial.

Sorry DFP. I believe that well, is it is right on the money. He is neither wrong nor racist, but absolutely accurate. I won't get drawn into theorums and hypotheses, but I know that he is right. And, my knowledge in this instance is not based on anecdotal evidence, but daily life in London. I just won't expand on it, as it doesn't seem warranted.

Racist, oh so racist. Well at least naive.

London is probably the most multi-cultural place in the entire world. You think it makes a difference if your black?

More to do with poverty, ghetto type segregation, crime, no role models, no middle class parents to guide you into performing the best academically and hook you up with fancy internships to guide you into fancy careers... etc etc..

Class/Culture/Social/Economical - not Racial.

That's kind of what I meant. I don't see how it sounded racist or naive though. I'm sure being black and middle-class is all fine and dandy but I was specifically talking about people in "poverty, ghetto type segregation, crime, no role models, no middle class parents to guide you into performing the best academically and hook you up with fancy internships to guide you into fancy careers... etc etc.."

Not necessarily black kids, it varies from area to area, city to city. I was being case-specific.

We are fond of calling people racist here, obviously I didnt really think you were.

But thats what I meant, white & asian kids can fall into similar trappings.

^I hadnt thought of that ade
Oh and its not endz any more its manor
http://www.lfgss.com/post456680-80.html

BA1
I've always referred to this as the right side of the river.

Racist, oh so racist. Well at least naive.

London is probably the most multi-cultural place in the entire world. You think it makes a difference if your black?

Class/Culture/Social/Economical - not Racial.

Don't think London is that multicultural, there are many cities that are more so.

Your race doesn't determine your social cultural background? Sort of does. Whether it's correlation or causation or a bit of both it's obvious that you ethnic background has a huge affect on all aspects of your life.

I agree that it's definitely not the biggest factor.

^^ You can't just blame the parents and saying the kids aren't bright is pretty low.

Not to sound all right-on, white middle-class expert on sociology but unfortunately, being a young, black male in London still doesn't offer you the easiest of lives for various reasons.

Its obviously a large responsibility on the parents behalf but society as a whole is full of holes that causes stuff like this. Its a reaction to a cause.

I just find it idiotic how people get territorial over a postcode. Its for the fucking postman, there's nothing gangster about it.

I suppose kids have always been at war with the neighbouring this, that or the other. Nothing new there, its just that these disputes are steadily getting more violent.

Hope no-one got hurt and it was all just mouthing-off.

@ dicki, I don't mean to sound like a patronising cunt.

Yup, they are completely victims of circumstance, nothing evil about them whatsoever. Damn society for holding them down http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10737347

Yes, there are some psychotic, evil bastards out there but I don't get what you're trying to say with that article.

I could hop on google right now and find you countless articles about lunatics from every nationality and class under the sun doing horrible things, that's a whole other discussion.

@Gatti - what do you think makes people behave that way? Even if mental health issues are involved, that's mental health issues without the supportive/protective infrastructure typically surrounding less socially deprived mentalists.

'Circumstance' is not an excuse, it's a diagnosis. Without a diagnosis, people have no chance of being cured of their 'evil'.

Well said BMMF.

@Gatti - what do you think makes people behave that way? Even if mental health issues are involved, that's mental health issues without the supportive/protective infrastructure typically surrounding less socially deprived mentalists.

'Circumstance' is not an excuse, it's a diagnosis. Without a diagnosis, people have no chance of being cured of their 'evil'.

Not sure what your getting with the mental health issues, its pretty clear all of the happy slappers in the article i posted were in a sane state of mind, hence it being the 6th occasion. There is something wrong when a group of people from a certain background feel its acceptable to beat an old man to death infront of an infant, with no reason whatsoever. Something that doesn't link to socio-economic background, or a lack of chances / resources / opportunities for education.

Its a cultural problem endemic to the areas with this "gang mentality". The kind of culture and mentality that makes people think they deserve a living from others and that their problems are someone else's to solve.
Poverty in the UK is tough without a doubt, but nowhere near as tough as in other poorer countries, where people will work to survive and have respect for their fellow humans.

Its embarrassing to think that in this day an age everyone is the victim.