Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

Just won this on the bay. Anyone recognize the lugs, wrap over seat stays or brake bridge?

What colour is it?

Don't really know why I went for this frame, maybe in the hope its some sort of english framebuilder but I managed to get it for a decent price so Im not complaining much.
Not much info from the seller, but the seatpost is 27mm has wrapover seatstays, some slightly fancy lugs and what I think are really horrible dropouts.
Ive got a spanish and a french track frame, but would really like it to have something british too, or even better from London.
Excuse the poor photos but still havnt actually got the frame, any help would be much appreciated!!

Thanks

i believe carlton did those wrapover stays. there is a "classic lightweights" website/forum out there which i looks to be a more specialized crowd for info.

does look very british indeed

Beautiful frame, I've taken some interest in this!

Could be a Claude Butler frame? Lug work looks similar to this kind of design and a googling of butler sprint frames returns some similar looking work.

Other models also have similar work around the bottom bracket shell to what I can make out in your images.

Shame dropouts are horrible, and after a lot of googling I cant find a model that has those same style horizontal dropouts, seems strange they would appear on a frame with such nice lugs, perhaps these are custom? I do not know but hope this is some help...

hmm, my money's on it being a carlton at first glance, do a google image search for "Carlton track ends" and you'll see that they made fugly track ends a bit of a trademark. Also the wrapover stays being reasonably round in section is pretty common on Carlton.
There's a good webpage here http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/
it has plenty of stuff about the marque including frame number database
and lug catalogues... http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork-p.htm & http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork.htm
a quick look at that should confirm one way or the other.
Claud Butler is also a good shout, I had a frame once that I was convinced was a Carlton Python and turned out to be a Claud.. Again your in luck in terms of web resources, there's an excellent set of catalogues here... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff/ClaudButler.htm
and plenty of photos here (of both Clauds and Carltons) - http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/readers_bikes.html
Hope this helps

My brother got a new bike, would appreciate if you guys could shed some light into what make/model it is. If you need any other specific photos, let me know. Thanks.

Here's the full album: http://imgur.com/a/vtjxa

Anyone?

Hi I'm tempted to by this Pogliaghi bike but I'm not sure this is a real Pogliaghi...
what do you think?

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i believe carlton did those wrapover stays. there is a "classic lightweights" website/forum out there which i looks to be a more specialized crowd for info.

does look very british indeed

Could be a Claude Butler frame? Lug work looks similar to this kind of design and a googling of butler sprint frames returns some similar looking work.

Other models also have similar work around the bottom bracket shell to what I can make out in your images.

Shame dropouts are horrible, and after a lot of googling I cant find a model that has those same style horizontal dropouts, seems strange they would appear on a frame with such nice lugs, perhaps these are custom? I do not know but hope this is some help...

Thanks for the help guys!

The headtube lugs looks to be nearly the same, except for the splitted spear. The fork looks basically identical, but that could mean the fork isn't original maybe.

hmm, my money's on it being a carlton at first glance, do a google image search for "Carlton track ends" and you'll see that they made fugly track ends a bit of a trademark. Also the wrapover stays being reasonably round in section is pretty common on Carlton.
There's a good webpage here http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/
it has plenty of stuff about the marque including frame number database
and lug catalogues... http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork-p.htm & http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork.htm
a quick look at that should confirm one way or the other.
Claud Butler is also a good shout, I had a frame once that I was convinced was a Carlton Python and turned out to be a Claud.. Again your in luck in terms of web resources, there's an excellent set of catalogues here... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff/ClaudButler.htm
and plenty of photos here (of both Clauds and Carltons) - http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/readers_bikes.html
Hope this helps

Thanks for the links RVL, gonna have a good look through that ntlworld link when I get home tonight and see If I can source any more info.
Might make a current project thread once I get the frame with more info.

One more thing, I need to build my friend a bike and have two choices..

Sell him this frame and replace it with a F R Russel track frame in slightly more original state, less fancy lugs and with what I think is a small dent in the down tube for myself.
What would be worth more?
I'm indecisive over looks vs function, as obviously the lugs look much better than the F R Russel, but then the F R has a better fit at 58ct 53tt

Ive got a feeling this frame is going to be slightly too small for me in the long run as I'm currently riding a 55 square track and is feeling pretty good with mavic tt bars (still adjusting)

Hi I'm tempted to by this Pogliaghi bike but I'm not sure this is a real Pogliaghi...
what do you think?

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I'm no expert but I must say I'm sceptical... Especially the unicrown fork.
Pogliaghi typically stamped his frame number on the seatlug which is reasonably uncommon
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Agree wrap over is Carlton type - had a similar one, but lug set looks like Nervex pro which wasn't common on cheaper wrap over Carltons.

Hi I'm tempted to by this Pogliaghi bike but I'm not sure this is a real Pogliaghi...
what do you think?

I've had another thought on this...
At one stage Basso were producing Pogliaghi.
Basso produced a bike called a champion I couldn't find any Basso champs that looked like this on a google image search, but it's possible that it may be a basso pogliaghi.

Thanks Rik Van Looy
so it s still a valuable frame probably

I could do with a bit of ID help.

I know it is not a Colnago as the 'Clover' on the BB seems odd and the lugs are different. also no stamps on the forks.

Any idea?

It looks like it was originally pale green and has been repainted silver at some stage. The frame stickers are post respray and do not help identifying the frame.

Cheers

Vince

Just won this on the bay. Anyone recognize the lugs, wrap over seat stays or brake bridge?

What colour is it?

Baby blue but it's a terrible paint job. Some red underneath but guessing that's the undercoat.

Got the frame in the post today, the paint job is so so but it will do, nothing really special but took some detailed shots of the lugs etc.

Haven't managed to look through those catalogues yet with the uni work pilling so any other views is always appreciated.
Have a good weekend everyone!

The lugwork looks nice and the seatstays are pretty distinctive: never seen a wrap-around job with a profile like that.

Ron Cooper?

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4845689

This thread might help too: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/569529-The-Ron-Cooper-Thread/page7

I could do with a bit of ID help.

I know it is not a Colnago as the 'Clover' on the BB seems odd and the lugs are different. also no stamps on the forks.

Any idea?

It looks like it was originally pale green and has been repainted silver at some stage. The frame stickers are post respray and do not help identifying the frame.

Cheers

Vince

I could do with a bit of ID help.

I know it is not a Colnago as the 'Clover' on the BB seems odd and the lugs are different. also no stamps on the forks.

Any idea?

It looks like it was originally pale green and has been repainted silver at some stage. The frame stickers are post respray and do not help identifying the frame.

Cheers

Vince

Ron Cooper?

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4845689

This thread might help too: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/569529-The-Ron-Cooper-Thread/page7

Thanks for the links - I think headtube lugs must have been from the same supplier as Ron for this bike but that's where the resemblance stops.

Saarf says probably a Colner and the fork crown looks 'nag-ish too, plus the campagnolo dropouts so I would tend to think it is italian.

The search continues...

Apparently Ron Cooper uses the clover cutout too. There are a few references if that in the bike forum thread.

I read about that but due to the location of the frame I don't think it can be a Ron Cooper.

The bike is located in the Champagne region, France and has been there all its life. It was built up by a small bike shop in Reims in the 80's so I don't think Ron Cooper was all the rage over there at that time.

Italian frames were though... I will check the threads on the BB and forks then see if I can spot serial numbers / more info.

Thanks for the help,

Vince

i'd like to ask if anyone has any knowledge of the cinelli nautilus
""NAUTILUS

A jewel of a bike, entirely TIG welded to enhance the qualities of
the Columbus Nemo frameset (as light as titanium, but as strong as
steel, with a zone butled system for a total frame weight of 1,350g
). No detail has been left unmodified: arched cable guides,
lightened bottom bracket, reinforced head tube, cast seatlug and
dropouts. The components are strictly Campagnolo Record with Shamal
wheels. Colour: Nautilus Copper Soft Touch.""

not up on cinelli meself, the bb is stamped, and the rear stay bridge looks like on my mtb

cheers

Picked this up today from a customer, just wondering if anyone had any details about it? Don't really know anything more than it's a Fondriest.

Also, any idea what the BB size is?

Thanks muchly!

Is that Italian threading on the BB?? Looks like a mirage or veloce but they usually have the marking on them.

Thinking it is Italian, am I right in assuming Italian is the opposite threading to British?