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It's not that ridiculous to think that people at odds with each other might become friends one day. I was on the first forum ride to Brighton, and vividly remember Object ranting about how this 50/14 bloke who'd turned up on an inappropriate bike that he couldn't control - causing injuries and bike damage to others as well as himself thanks to a reckless and irresponsible attitude - was a complete cunt. Object hoped 50/14 (who'd been carted off in an ambulance) was going to recover from his own injuries, but initially wanted nothing further to do with the bloke. He was spitting feathers for weeks. Absolutely no love lost.
Most people know the rest: they became great friends, and Object spent many hours offering 50/14 comfort and support on his deathbed a few years later.
Very good example.
A not dissimilar series of events occurred at my school a long time ago when a teacher slapped a pupil. The parents started proceedings against him and there was a big battle. Then they gradually became very good friends. I don't know how this happened, but it did.
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Because:
a) people change
b) we're bonded by circumstance/shared experience
c) shit happens
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Unfortunately, it's not the case that you get what you deserve in life. That would be 'justice'. There is, however, a fairly widespread phenomenon called 'injustice' which rather puts a spanner into this attitude.
hmm I have my reasons for disagreeing with most of what you say in this post, especially this. But I don't need to go into them here
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Feel free not to. I find it rather hard to believe that anyone could make a good case for denying that injustice exists.
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I'm reminded of widespread injustice on a daily basis, across an extremely broad contextual spectrum. This is mainly due to being awake, paying attention to the world around me, and processing all the input in as objective a manner as possible.
It can be a little depressing, to say the least.
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There's good hummus on South Lambeth Road?!
hhahaha have some snowy
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Would you take them out for a drink first, maybe a nice meal.. get to know them then go for the choke?
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Originally Posted by **mikec** [](http://www.lfgss.com/post1418328.html#post1418328)Lets hope he doesn't make a full recovery, thus taking another thief off the street.
You get what you deserve in this life. I like the sound of your bikeUnfortunately, it's not the case that you get what you deserve in life. That would be 'justice'. There is, however, a fairly widespread phenomenon called 'injustice' which rather puts a spanner into this attitude.
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Originally Posted by **mikec** [](http://www.lfgss.com/post1418801.html#post1418801)Probably some little crack head who overdosed lol. Maybe he was having an epileptic fit.
Whatever lets hope he's still fucked. I can't stand all this sympathy for the theives and scum in todays societyAn interesting case this one- some good debate.
As Oliver notes, things aren't always quite as simple as they seem.Don't get me wrong, I'm against the type of society that takes away responsibility for people's actions as much as anyone, but I'd like to know how you would feel if you'd stood over the dying kid laughing only to find later that his dad is an alcoholic who beats the shit out of him/his mum on a daily basis if he doesnt get his tins of super or whatever when he wants them
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I'm glad the OP got his bike back (again), and showed the compassion you'd expect from a decent human being.
I also hope the opportunist thief makes a full recovery, feels some remorse (which is not unlikely, as painful repercussions – at your own hand – have a way of tempering one's behaviour), and also ends up in a situation where he can acquire a bicycle by lawful means, and enjoy riding it.
It's not that ridiculous to think that people at odds with each other might become friends one day. I was on the first forum ride to Brighton, and vividly remember Object ranting about how this 50/14 bloke who'd turned up on an inappropriate bike that he couldn't control - causing injuries and bike damage to others as well as himself thanks to a reckless and irresponsible attitude - was a complete cunt. Object hoped 50/14 (who'd been carted off in an ambulance) was going to recover from his own injuries, but initially wanted nothing further to do with the bloke. He was spitting feathers for weeks. Absolutely no love lost.
Most people know the rest: they became great friends, and Object spent many hours offering 50/14 comfort and support on his deathbed a few years later.
Different. They both worked, earned the money and bought their own without inflicting pain on anyone else in the process. Fiddy was actually a forum member- there's a little credit/benefit of the doubt almost given to fellow members. If it were just a passing stupid dangerous nodder he'd still be spitting feathers. The thief, whom I do not wish permanent injury to, must face and accept the consequence of his actions.
My preferred version had him ok and talking.
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^^50/14 was barely a forum member at the time of the incident; or may have even just been lurking. He only chose his username due to the events of that day.
Of course the nuts and bolts of each incident are different, but what you had was someone being an irresponsible twat, and causing injury to 2 other people because of it (thankfully not more, but it could've been). But friendships blossomed in the long run. I think I've heard a similar story about a drunk driver (irresponsible twat on the road) causing serious injury to someone, but then also becoming firm friends with the victim, and changing their errant ways.
Theft is a crime, so is drunk driving, so is riding brakeless/without due care and attention.
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So this afternoon I went round to the shop to get some houmous and left my bike against the wall outside (idiotic thing to do, I know). I go in for three seconds and then, before even buying the houmous, I check outside to see if it's still there.
William
Me and my girlfriend were the first people on the scene - I was the guy with the sun glasses. The other half saw everything happen, he just stopped pedalling and flew through the air, landing squarely on his head.
Would be interesting to know whether he survived or not - I'd be amazed if isn't brain dead.
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ah yeh I remember you two. I reckon it's probably better than it looked, just an unfortunate fit-based reaction made it look horrific. Never seen any of those guys before though so probably not from around here/no way of finding out.
Extremely gory week for me. This, then my friend fractures his ankle playing football with us, then i get pissed, think i'm jackie chan, and manage to sever 80% of the tendon in my right finger.
No cycling for 6-10 weeks. Loooooooong.
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2010-05-23 - Rider Down, South Lambeth Road
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Mike, I was being perfectly serious, and as Snowy says, contact like that between perpetrator and victim isn't such an unusual idea at all.
Immature people do stupid things. It's part of learning. Who hasn't stolen something at some point and partly through that experience realised that stealing is wrong? There is absolutely no reason to condemn this so strongly.
Rest assured that I certainly don't condone bike theft or find it harmless--after all, I'm currently helping to run a major anti-bike theft campaign. But this instance just went completely beyond a mere bike theft. What started as a property crime ended up, according to the report we have, in a life-threatening situation. I'm sure that had you been a passer-by you would have been trying to help the crashed thief in any way you could, and would neither have harmed him nor wished harm on him like in these highly objectionable posts:
Unfortunately, it's not the case that you get what you deserve in life. That would be 'justice'. There is, however, a fairly widespread phenomenon called 'injustice' which rather puts a spanner into this attitude.
The reason why crime happens is essentially because the law, which is supposed to govern society according to just principles and order it well, does not in fact perform this function adequately. There are lots of supposedly lawful things that people do all the time that are basically just wrong. Criminals are just people who do wrong things not in accordance with the law, and often justify their actions by reference to the weak position of the law.
The reason why the legend of Robin Hood has exercised such fascination over the centuries, in all its many forms, is because there is a sense in which (some of, depending on the version of the legend, which of course most probably is not comprised of historical events) Robin Hood's actions are justifiable even though they are unlawful. It is one of the classic human stories because it shows up how these things are not always black-and-white.
We believe in punishment for wrong actions, but punishment does not always lead to betterment. It often leaves criminals completely unable to lead any life other than a criminal life again. As Snowy says, they become more likely to re-offend. Rich and powerful criminals are much less likely to be caught, let alone suffer a loss of reputation, than poor and vulnerable criminals. And so on.
It's most definitely not as cosy as 'you get what you deserve in this life'. I almost wish it was.
This is a very unusual case and I am simply refusing to treat it only as a bike theft, much as I wouldn't have applied the same vindictive attitude as you even to an actual bike theft. William showed sympathy to the thief as he judged that with this crash he had been more than punished and didn't want to press charges. I think that was a good decision.
I'm only hypothesising, of course, and I have no idea what WIlliam wants to do. I just thought, they seem to be of similar age. Why shouldn't they have a sensible chat sometime? You never know, they might have more in common than you might think. Chances are the thief won't turn out to be a monster. People can get to know each other that way. It's as simple as that. I would definitely go and visit him. It probably wouldn't be easy at first, but who knows? The worst that could happen would be that we could find out that we don't get on.