Why you should always assume the driver has not seen you

You can bang on about cautious riding etc until the cows come home.

In this case, the car pulled out wrongly. end of.

yep, nothing to learn here whatsoever. Just do it again and again and again.

I think most of us feel the cyclist was not in the wrong, but it the accident could have been avoided, a more experienced cyclist would have seen the potential problem and taken evasive action, like:- slowing down, swerving, shouting or ringing a bell. (excuse the dogs cock)

The perfect answer would be a REALLY LOUD bell. Does anyone make such a thing? If so, I think I might go and get one.

I can see the sonic shockforce of a really loud bell pushing that car away from the cyclist. That's a motherloving genius idea.

Shocking vid and there's clearly nothing he could have done about it.

Had a similar series of close shaves on this roundabout in Peckham. Even the google street cam shows the problem. Cars just streaming through and not giving way. Almost been over the bonnet a few times here in the last few weeks. Time for a new route.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Peckham&sll=51.452138,-0.064585&sspn=0.007221,0.017467&ie=UTF8&hq=Peckham&hnear=&ll=51.471394,-0.072575&spn=0,0.001092&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.471446,-0.072408&panoid=iTn4Z4zcapkIdt0dQK74uA&cbp=12,238.68,,1,4.12

I think those double-minis are always bad news. I remember when I was first learning to drive in sleepy Bristol the test route took one in on Southmead Road. It used to shit me up every time.

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Ah, here it is: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsv74Bx8WhU"]YouTube-
Double mini-roundabout in Bristol - twice[/ame] There's an OK chip shop there, in case you're tempted to get off and walk. The Cod Almighty, I think.

Had a similar series of close shaves on this roundabout in Peckham

Especially when distracted by the hilarious BELLENDen road.

And the dildo shaped sculptures all over it - by Gormley apparently.

I think those double-minis are always bad news. I remember when I was first learning to drive in sleepy Bristol the test route took one in on Southmead Road. It used to shit me up every time.

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Ah, here it is: YouTube- Double mini-roundabout in Bristol - twice
There's an OK chip shop there, in case you're tempted to get off and walk. The Cod Almighty, I think.

Who took this video and why? It seemed a bit weird at the beginning and then we get the same journey from the other direction.

Who took this video and why? It seemed a bit weird at the beginning and then we get the same journey from the other direction.

Don't know the guy, just found his video on youtube. From his other videos, I'd say he leads an uncomplicated life. Now utterly OT. Sorry.

Discussion of this just picked up over on Pistonheads. Isn't it a bit strange that such an avowedly pro-car community seems so much more sympathetic to the victim overall than we do?

it's devil's avocate-ing.

pro cylclists wouldn't feel the need to represent a cyclist in a crash on cycling forum and visa vera

According to the shadows the sun is behind the car?

Also...the driver has the sun in his/her eyes, coming from directly behind the cyclist, so would not have been able to see much detail from what I presume was a quick squinted glance ahead.

The rider wouldn't have been able to make eye contact with the driver because of the glare on the windscreen, so should have adjusted his positioning accordingly done a huge skid across the roundabout to alert the driver to his presence.

Eye contact generally works. As I said, not 100% infallibly, but we just tend to know when we've 'locked eyes' with someone,

how will the driver know we have 'locked eyes' if I'm wearing my white ray-bans?

I can only agree with everyone who has said that the cyclist should of slowed down.
Despite the fact that he states it's more like a T Junction, it is still a roundabout with exits/entrances from multiple angles.

Partially the cyclist is to blame, he has not performed well enough and could of prevented this.

But this does pinpoint majority on the driver of the vehicle. It is mainly his fault.

Discussion of this just picked up over on Pistonheads. Isn't it a bit strange that such an avowedly pro-car community seems so much more sympathetic to the victim overall than we do?

By finding some fault with the cyclist, other cyclists can think they can protect themselves by not making mistakes. Accepting that cyclists can be killed or injured through no fault of their own is dis-empowering and frightening. It probably looks very different if you are (exclusively) a car driver.

The driver was reported as saying he was dazzled, though unless the cyclist who was hit had a fecking great mirror mounted on his handlebars I don't see how.

From 00:10, the sun is clearly behind the driver:

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bzb; rear view and side view mirror can be enough to dazzled someone.

fucking great word!

"dazzle"

Of course if you're dazzled by the sun it might be idea to stop instead of hoping for the best

Of course if you're dazzled by the sun it might be idea to stop instead of hoping for the best

Fuck that. Use the Force. It's what it's for.

bzb; rear view and side view mirror can be enough to dazzled someone.

good point, well argued, though the sun doesn't look low enough to me. However, I'd better stop with this before I sound like one of those people who analyse photos of the moon landings...

Of course if you're dazzled by the sun it might be idea to stop instead of hoping for the best

The idea of car drivers speeding around "hoping for the best" fills me with terror; 'specially as it seems like that's actually how so many actually seem to behave.

The idea of cyclists speeding around "hoping for the best" fills me with melancholy; 'specially as it seems like that's actually how so many of us actually seem to behave.

Fixed :-(

saw almost the exact same accident few months back only the driver waited patiently in the car until some pedestrians helped him off the road :(

^ was probably on his blackberry