Doping

You're being sarcastic here right - Yates got the push from Sky for being associated with doping and I'm pretty sure Nygaard did too so presume the same for Sunderland?

I wasn’t intentionally being sarcastic, but anyone paying attention raised an eyebrow when those appointments were made, as they clearly were out of step with the public pronouncements.

Looking for morals in sports associated personnel is a bit like looking for the things we often know as

If someone could add the bit at the end to go like park life, id be happy thanks.

If someone could add the bit at the end to go like park life, id be happy thanks.

Parklife

(hope that helps)

I'd rather not completely abandon the ability for elected politicians to investigate behaviour of those who already have those non-democratically determined honours.

Even if that were a worthwhile thing, there are much bigger crooks than Sir Dave and Sir Brad on the roll of honour. On the very worst possible interpretation of the facts as they are known, they may have been complicit in gaming the TUE rules of WADA in order to take advantage of less canny foreigners in a game of bicycle on the continent. Everybody agreed to the rules and ruling tribunals before the game, and the ruling tribunal says the rules weren't broken. There was no criminality in English law, no British victims of the sleight of hand, and it didn't happen here. Unless you think a select committee should have the powers of god to look into the hearts of men and judge them for their motives rather than their actions, and furthermore that the British parliament should extend its jurisdiction contra mundum in the face of all civilised concepts of territorial sovereignty, then why do you think it's any of their business?

Politicians should investigate the uses to which public money is put, and in the case of subsidising competitive sport they should be very rapidly coming to the conclusion that they should never have let public money go in that direction in the first place and then go after the crooks who let such a thing happen. They are usually conveniently located along the corridor in the house of lords. The criminals here are not the performing dogs, they are the masters who threw them treats.

The full situation is becoming very murky, Wiggins is just turning out what i thought he was anyway a liar and cheat.

The problem with this is that yet again cycling is the bad guy and there seems to be loads of other sports getting away with it as per usual. I doubt the Mo farah thing will stick even tho he's a cheating bastard too.

Depends on who the sole source of this information is tbh.

Wiggins' documented triamcinilone(?) use ok, but the 'training apart' and more widespread use of it remains unproven beyond the quantity ordered, and if TUE's weren't procured for its use then you'd expect more positives for it etc.

more widespread use of it remains unproven beyond the quantity ordered, and if TUE's weren't procured for its use then you'd expect more positives for it

Triamcinolone is only prohibited in competition. If you're using it during training, it won't come up as an AAF even if detected.

This is worth a read.

https://www.lionelbirnie.com/blog/2018/3/5/1dm1u9ioiiygi09k0hsnj8z6c1z7kl

I did the biggest fucking eye-roll when DB held up the Premier League as a paragon of sports medicine virtue.

All very grubby.

Especially if, as claimed, Wiggins rode the Tour in 2012 using the steroid when he'd applied for, but not received, the TUE.......

"Where circumstances are deemed to be exceptional, such as a medical emergency situation,
and treatment must be initiated before a TUE could be approved, reference should be made
to WADA ISTUE Article 4.3 concerning retroactive/emergency TUEs. Full and clear
documentation of the medical incident is required and the (retroactive) TUE application
process must be initiated at the first opportunity."

Anyone seen the dan roan talking to wiggins?

Hour long interview. Wiggins said nothing ‘off limits’ could be good.

The Tour in 2012 was a medical emergency situation!?!!?

Great read - thanks for the link

The criminals here are not the performing dogs, they are the masters who threw them treats.

Pretty baroque.

baroque

I think of myself as more classical.

I think I've read it before.

I'm not saying you're biting someone's steez, it's very homage-ological.

I think I've read it before

You must tell me where. It's the kind of imagery which would be perfectly recognisable to any late 18th Century satire watcher, so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody had come up with a similar formulation before.

Anyone watch newsnight?

I saw Jonathan Tiernan Locke popped up on the BBC earlier. Quick shoeing of Dave the Rave then he was off.

Ha! Razzermouse time! Did anyone watch it and can give me a summary? I really don't want to watch Newsnight, even less on catch up.

Full transcript. Difficult to say he's being evasive anywhere with dates and timelines, even throws in a "Yep did the Tramadol ting" for good measure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43294639

Thanks. I think I've read that. I'm more interested in what was said on newsnight. Kinda interested on what the mainstream media is discussing and what the (non cycling) masses are seeing.