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  • Chris Horner ‏@hornerakg
    I've decided to release my test results from the UCI biological passport, from 2008 until now. Results are posted at:

    http://www.chrishornerracing.com/

  • Chris Horner ‏@hornerakg
    I've decided to release images of the paper my test results from the UCI biological passport were printed on, from 2008 until now. Results are posted at:

    http://www.chrishornerracing.com/

    FIFH, would have been more useful if there was a data file provided for easy analysis, then we could just use the images to verify rather than laboriously typing all the data in...

    Trying to avoid scrutiny whilst maintaining the illusion of transparency?

  • He can't fucking win, can he?

  • He just did though. #confused

  • If people who want to scrutinise the data can't be bothered to do a bit of work, then perhaps it is not such a big issue to them?

  • If he really wanted to demonstrate that he was either

    a) clean
    or
    b) doping in an undetected manner

    he should have made it analysable. The way he's done it just seems like he wants it all to go away.

  • If people who want to scrutinise the data can't be bothered to do a bit of work, then perhaps it is not such a big issue to them?

    The ability to easily cross-reference between a single rider's passport data and their observed performances over a season and compare that with the baseline responses for comparable riders is necessary for a serious analysis of passport data.

    Might be easy to say "the levels I showed immediately following that rest day indicate a good recovery" when one one rider's data is open.

    If the data is available in a usable format from multiple riders you can highlight riders who recovered a little too much. This is important when the teams have the ability to microdose.

    Group the riders into "Probably clean", "might be clean", "previously positive", "dodgy feckers" and "Vinokourov training camp attendee", then compare a single rider's data against the ranges and trends derivable from each subgroup.

  • He can't fucking win, can he?

    He just did though. #confused

    Andy wouldn't know, he doesn't really follow cycling.

  • Athletics only just caught up on the old fake penis filled with clean piss doping dodge

  • Prosthetic dick.

  • No need for name-calling...

  • Aha, the old Contador routine. Allegedly.

  • Chris Horner probably should have let someone who knows what the numbers in the bio passport mean look at his files before he released them.

    Have a guess during which period during the 5 years of data he had his lowest ever retic number indicating bone marrow not producing new blood cells?

    And haemoglobin volume dropping then increasing during that same 3 week Spanish race?

    Who's that other guy that has the magic increasing Hgb in a grand tour? That was flagged as evidence of blatant doping?

    Oh yeah

    @veloclinic crunching the numbers again

  • Oops.

    Lulz at all the Post-Armstrong/Neo Horner fanboiz trying to float that fucking fantasy for the last month.

    I think the UCI should bring in burning at the fucking stake.

  • Chris Horner probably should have let someone who knows what the numbers in the bio passport mean look at his files before he released them.

    Have a guess during which period during the 5 years of data he had his lowest ever retic number indicating bone marrow not producing new blood cells?

    ...
    @veloclinic crunching the numbers again

    Added Veloclinic's Tumblr feed to my Feedly account. Should be fun.

  • Admittedly I am by no means an expert on doping... but I can read graphs and that looks mighty suspicious.

  • "As the group split, I found myself with the usual suspects: Basso, Klöden, Horner and a few others."

  • If the values are suspicious and from the bio passport, has he undergone further testing from the authorities?

  • "We had already dropped Evans, Wiggins, and Rogers."

  • If the values are suspicious and from the bio passport, has he undergone further testing from the authorities?

    The bio passport as it is currently implemented is concerned with keeping your numbers within thresholds based on your baseline blood values only ; it does not flag suspicious patterns within those thresholds.

    It stops all out super doping/transfusions but micro-dosing and mini transfusions are designed to avoid that.

    The testing you say? What testing would that be?

  • If veloclinic's model of how riders now blood dope is correct the only time to catch them is soon (but not immediately) after the race.

    Does anyone know what percentage of out-of-competition tests are done in the immediate days following events? I imagine that's when teams (and doping control themselves) are likely to be packing-up, on the road, difficult to track-down – with minds on other things.

  • The sport is fucked until we start x-raying team buses!

    ;-)

  • If veloclinic's model of how riders now blood dope is correct the only time to catch them is soon (but not immediately) after the race.

    Maybe why he "accidentally" missed a doping control visit the day after the final stage... ?

  • Engineering it all out:

    1. All riders must stay in the same hotel
    2. Doctors only allowed to store their materials and equipment and carry out their duties within a designated monitored room.
    3. Ouside of that room, all non-first-aid materials not in the process of being transported to the next monitored room by deignated officials is deemed contraband.
    4. All bags taken into the rider space to be checked.
    5. Essentially, security and logistics for the race organiser becomes a major issue.

    Formula One Management already manages cargo and personnel transport for all participants and the paddock is a controlled space, so it becomes easier for them to monitor for equipment cheating: if team personnel brings in parts outside of the main logistics cycle you can add extra checks of those parts during Parc Ferme.

  • ^^ I see your point re Horner but what other targets does he have this season? He can chill, do some interviews and see his family whilst teams fight over his contract.

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