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• #1127
The real farce will be if Mick Rogers, Sean Yates, Servais Knaven and others don't get kicked off the team.
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• #1128
From here >>>
Brailsford must now make decisions regarding his road captain Mike Rogers – who denies any wrongdoing but was named in the Usada report as being linked to Armstrong's trainer Michele Ferrari – and lead directeur sportif Sean Yates who worked at Armstrong's Discovery Channel team but again denies any involvement with doping programmes. There is no suggestion in the Usada report that either has been involved in doping while Yates insisted on Wednesday night: "I worked with Lance but never had any inclination this type of practice was going on," he said.
The likelihood is that some members of the team will leave, but Brailsford said he had no idea how many.
What is certain is that there will be no amnesty. Brailsford said he felt that doping should have consequences. "I don't believe in a general pardon. I'm not sure [riders] can turn round and just say 'OK, I did that.' The challenge is trying to achieve a balance between supporting someone, not throwing them out of the door and never seeing them again, saying we will support you, this is an opportunity, but if you lie again, there will be no support at all."
He added "I'm not saying people can't be rehabilitated, but [zero tolerance] was our stance when we started and I want to see it through." However, Sky's aim, stated Brailsford, is to end up with a team which cannot be questioned.
Does he think we're stupid? Surely the way to run a team post-lance is to acknowledge there will be questioning of rider's past and future preparation and just deal with it?
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• #1129
Meanwhile, Carlos Barredo has a doping case opened against him following variations in his biological passport values.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-request-doping-procedure-against-carlos-barredo
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• #1130
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• #1131
You could have a little motor in the ball.
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• #1132
It clearly says football doping does not work, the stuff's got to go into the players.
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• #1133
Microdosing is apparently the way forward
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26micro.html?_r=0
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• #1134
good to see you've been reading up on the news, albeit from 2010
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• #1135
Bobby Julich has been booted from Sky.
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• #1136
One down, at least two to go.
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• #1137
In all seriousness (I think) have Sky (and Murdoch) actually just bought the UCI and the Tour in the same way USPostal did?
Some of Sky's performances have been, quite literally, unbelievable and this quote from Fat Pat before the TdF always sticks in my head:
In the big mountain stages, you never see the (team) leader surrounded by three or four domestiques. He usually finishes the climb on his own. That wasn’t the case during the big period of EPO
Then, what did Wiggins, Rogers, Porte and Froome do (regularly)?
Sky's zero tolerance policy is clearly rubbish (despite this big show) and they haven't been transparent at all.
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• #1138
Then, what did Wiggins, Rogers, Porte and Froome do (regularly)?
Rogers and Porte never finished in the same group as Wiggins or Froome in any of the mountain top finishes in this year's Tour.
So you'd better come up with a better argument than that.
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• #1139
Rogers and Porte never finished in the same group as Wiggins or Froome in any of the mountain top finishes in this year's Tour.
So you'd better come up with a better argument than that.
Sorry, perhaps I was being a little too flippant.
They have shown a ridiculous improvement since joining Sky and yes they weren't in the same group, but they weren't far behind. Stage 7 was when I thought that they were looking *particularly * good.
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• #1140
But they looked good against mostly clean opposition, not against the 90% doped fields of the late 90s.
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• #1141
But they looked good against mostly clean opposition, not against the 90% doped fields of the late 90s.
By most accounts, USPS were racing against mostly clean opposition in 1999.
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• #1142
Which accounts? There was still no test for EPO in 1999 and it was still in widespread use with riders, such as Pantani, still failing the UCI's 50% test.
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• #1143
Ashenden's retrospective EPO tests from the 1999, for one. A small percentage came back positive for EPO, (of which most belonged to LA) according to his NY Velocity interview.
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• #1144
The Dutch union KNWU's letter to Pat, asking for a clean sweep by truth commission (in funny English, as usual for us lowlanders). I wonder what the Spanish cycling union is up to atm...
page 1: https://twitter.com/FlashingPedals/status/261496942041890816/photo/1
page 2: https://twitter.com/FlashingPedals/status/261497010417459200/photo/1
page 3: https://twitter.com/FlashingPedals/status/261497066608549888/photo/1 -
• #1145
As a 'lowlander', I take offence.
The Dutch union KNWU's letter to Pat, asking for a clean sweep by truth commission (in funny English, as usual for us lowlanders). I wonder what the Spanish cycling union is up to atm...
page 1: https://twitter.com/FlashingPedals/status/261496942041890816/photo/1
page 2: https://twitter.com/FlashingPedals/status/261497010417459200/photo/1
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• #1146
Wow. Someone certainly has a sense of humour:
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• #1147
Looks like Ivan Basso
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• #1148
This is appearing in Le Soir (Belgium), Het Nieuwsblad (Belgium), The Times (UK), La Gazzetta dell Sport (Italy) and L'Equipe (France)
El Pais (Spain), De Telegraaf (Netherlands), The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia) and the Süddeutsche Zeitung (Germany) also expressed support for the initiative in its editorial
(translation from Spanish)
Manifesto for a credible cycling
We are a group of newspapers in five countries (Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, Italy and France) to continue cycling history for over a century. We love this sport with passion and strongly believe in its future.
We are also very concerned about the current situation. In the long blacklist of doping scandals that have clouded the horizon of cycling in recent years must be added the case of Armstrong, the confessions of several of his former teammates, the report of the American Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) as pointing to a malfunction or complicity of the International Cycling Union (UCI), and disturbing reports have filtered in Padua called research. And in January opens in Puerto trial in Madrid. This recent revelations show clearly that we can not put our faith in the ICU or team managers complicit in the deception. But the failures rest on all families that make cycling.
It seems that things have improved recently. We believe in a new generation of riders, but we believe it is impossible to continue in the same structures, the same operation, the same rules and the same men.
That's why we recommend:
That the UCI recognizes its responsibilities in the Armstrong case and apologize.
Constitute, under the responsibility of the Agency (WADA), a neutral and independent commission to investigate the role and responsibility of the ICU in case Armstrong and the fight against doping in general to report errors, abuses and possible complicity.
That the organization of controls on the biggest races is directly responsible for WADA and anti-doping agencies.
That the suspension penalties applicable in doping cases are more severe and sports groups pledge not to sign for two years for athletes suspended for more than six months.
The restoration of the gentlemen's agreement which provides that a broker who is under investigation for doping is automatically suspended for his team.
A stronger involvement and accountability of the sponsors who fund a team and give it its name.
Reform of the World Tour, its points system and licensing, maintaining a closed and opaque. We also propose that the licenses are no longer issued to the managers, but the sponsors.
The celebration of "overall the bike" before the start of the 2013 season in order to define a new organization and new rules.
We sincerely hope that the cycling world will seize the opportunity that is offered to a fundamental reform.
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• #1149
the apology must be followed by some resignations then?
Hein narrowly escaped a coup last night... some countries did not want to support the idea to move him out. I wonder who were brave and who weren't
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• #1150
Looks like Ivan Basso
https://mobile.twitter.com/blueline5354/status/261997945812054016/photo/1
Meanwhile, Carlos Barredo has a doping case opened against him following variations in his biological passport values.