Important: Shard HGV Routes published for Fri 16th > Sat 17th April 2010. Avoid area!

Merged and stickied.

Would like to join this CM but still minus a bike... I don't feel whole. :o(

For those wondering/under the wrong impression; The concrete will surely be transported in cement lorries, of the rotating drum type. Those lorries keep the contents moving, and can be delayed for a long time with no effect on the concrete inside.

Concrete begins to go off as soon as it is mixed with water. The rotating drum keeos it usable for an hour or so. If it is not tipped out soon after that it sets in the drum and has to be chipped out. That is one of the reasons why the drivers are under extra pressure and can be more of a hazard than others. The 32 ton lorries going to the Shard have 4 axles and are longer than the one pictured ^^^^^^^.

I did the stretch from Waterloo Bridge down to Southwark bridge this evening, and got promptly had a massive mixer lorry thundering past, then another one, and another one. Decide to take the next best turn off and cut through to Union street ...

Watch out on roundabout next to Lambeth Palace and Lambeth Bridge there is cement all over the road. Also at the traffic lights outside St Thomas Hospital. Cycled along cement mixer route from from Vauxhall to Blackfriars Bridge at 7am and only saw two Cement MIxers

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23825741-our-grief-and-pride-by-family-of-student-killed-by-tipper-truck.do

The lorry was delivering to The Shard. Had the vehicle been involved in an accident on site HSE would crawl all over the place. Since it happened on the road they're not interested.

I knew the guy who was killed. He was a student at kings college and a a great guy.

I hope this situation comes to a swift resolution without any more lives being wasted.

RIP Haris.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23825741-our-grief-and-pride-by-family-of-student-killed-by-tipper-truck.do

The lorry was delivering to The Shard. Had the vehicle been involved in an accident on site HSE would crawl all over the place. Since it happened on the road they're not interested.
The Police collision investigation team and Commercial Vehicle Unit were crawling all over the lorry after the crash. They are authorised HSE inspectors and they will have already visited the lorry firm to investigate how they operate. If they find problems they can insist on improvements being made.
The real problem is that it is very hard to get a prosecution. So far I don't think any company has been prosecuted under HSE law for being involved in a road death.

hmmm. not so sure about this.

an organisation announces it is going to unleash danger into our community and we have to stay indoors / take evasive action.

noted but not agreed.

The Police collision investigation team and Commercial Vehicle Unit were crawling all over the lorry after the crash. They are authorised HSE inspectors and they will have already visited the lorry firm to investigate how they operate. If they find problems they can insist on improvements being made.
The real problem is that it is very hard to get a prosecution. So far I don't think any company has been prosecuted under HSE law for being involved in a road death.

the real problem is they are killing us and our so called leaders (the government) are doing nothing.

hmmm. not so sure about this.

an organisation announces it is going to unleash danger into our community and we have to stay indoors / take evasive action.

noted but not agreed.

The Tweed Run was allowed to restrict traffic in London and some cycle races are allowed to run rolling closures of roads. If we apply your argument to them, we would have to apply it to ourselves.

the real problem is they are killing us and our so called leaders (the government) are doing nothing.

Not really a fair criticism. Admittedly what they are doing isn't particularly visible. The mechanisms of governance are long and slow, particularly in one that operates on the principles of democracy.

Concrete begins to go off as soon as it is mixed with water. The rotating drum keeos it usable for an hour or so. If it is not tipped out soon after that it sets in the drum and has to be chipped out. That is one of the reasons why the drivers are under extra pressure and can be more of a hazard than others. The 32 ton lorries going to the Shard have 4 axles and are longer than the one pictured ^^^^^^^.

Far more than an hour my friend. Far more.

http://www.engineeringsurveyor.com/images/shard/170410.jpg

That's the shard lorries, lined up waiting. Taken from here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549&page=481

Far more than an hour my friend. Far more.

http://www.engineeringsurveyor.com/images/shard/170410.jpg

That's the shard lorries, lined up waiting. Taken from here: [URL="http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549&page=481"][/URL]
My understanding is that the chemical hydration process starts to accelerate after about 1 hour, as this happens the viscosity increases making the concrete harder to pump and pour. It may be many hours before it is 'set' but there is still considerable time pressure on the suppliers.

The Tweed Run was allowed to restrict traffic in London and some cycle races are allowed to run rolling closures of roads. If we apply your argument to them, we would have to apply it to ourselves.

significant difference.

the tweed run isn't dangerous.

Not really a fair criticism. Admittedly what they are doing isn't particularly visible. The mechanisms of governance are long and slow, particularly in one that operates on the principles of democracy.

many people feel there is a lack of a democracy (choice) in our community / on our roads.

drive or be vulnerable.

Not really a fair criticism. Admittedly what they are doing isn't particularly visible. The mechanisms of governance are long and slow, particularly in one that operates on the principles of democracy.

i dont think it is appropriate that they obfuscate whilst people are being killed.

significant difference.

the tweed run isn't dangerous.

Significant similarity. The Tweed Run was allowed to run restrict traffic for the safety of it's participants. The pouring of the Shard provided information on the route and it's impact for the safety of a similar vulnerable group in an effort to mitigate it's danger. The real difference is that the Tweed Run was able to restrict traffic where as the pouring of the Shard would not have reasonably been able to do so.

i dont think it is appropriate that they obfuscate whilst people are being killed.

Please explain what acts of obfuscation you are aware of?

Passed one of those tipper trucks trying to take a left turn into this side street off the Minories - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...,297.6,,0,15.8

this is probably the most dangerous place I know in central London - most people REALLY don't expect lorries, taxis etc to swing left here.

I've seen a car almost go under a lorry's wheels here, and a large number of cyclists, pedestrians etc.

If anyone knows who or where I should tell about this, please let me know.

this is probably the most dangerous place I know in central London - most people REALLY don't expect lorries, taxis etc to swing left here.

I've seen a car almost go under a lorry's wheels here, and a large number of cyclists, pedestrians etc.

If anyone knows who or where I should tell about this, please let me know.

Oliver Schick?

Passed one of those tipper trucks trying to take a left turn into this side street off the Minories - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tower+gate+london&sll=54.136696,-4.042969&sspn=9.432466,26.279297&ie=UTF8&hq=tower+gate&hnear=Westminster,+London,+UK&ll=51.510248,-0.074882&spn=0,0.003208&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.510491,-0.074972&panoid=vdww49NElD65_PZ5ErH1ng&cbp=12,297.6,,0,15.8

Was that on the announced route?

this is probably the most dangerous place I know in central London - most people REALLY don't expect lorries, taxis etc to swing left here.

I've seen a car almost go under a lorry's wheels here, and a large number of cyclists, pedestrians etc.

If anyone knows who or where I should tell about this, please let me know.

Oliver Schick?

City Cyclists and Charlie will do just fine. Ted Reilly of City Cyclists has plotted cyclist crashes here:

http://www.citybeast.com/londoncyclists.html

There are no cyclist crashes recorded at this location, but that doesn't mean that it isn't risky, especially if (as it seems) it's used as a rat-run.

Google StreetView is magic at that point--spot the roadworks mirage.

Ha, this is pretty much my daily commute into the City :)

On Nine Elms, there's enough space in the bus lane all the way up to Vauxhall, then from there, you can cut through Kennington/Waterloo Cut/Southwark Bridge and avoid most of the rest...

There were more tipper trucks and concrete mixers about this morning (7 am) than usual I seem to remember.
Empty.
But this was coming up to the City from the South East .
Passed one of those tipper trucks trying to take a left turn into this side street off the Minories - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tower+gate+london&sll=54.136696,-4.042969&sspn=9.432466,26.279297&ie=UTF8&hq=tower+gate&hnear=Westminster,+London,+UK&ll=51.510248,-0.074882&spn=0,0.003208&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.510491,-0.074972&panoid=vdww49NElD65_PZ5ErH1ng&cbp=12,297.6,,0,15.8
The sign on Hammett street says NO Entry for lorries over 7.5 tons mgw. So no tipper or lorry should be going there unless they are going to an address close by in the City. The problem being that no one enforces these rules. This is an 'environmental ban' and it is up to the local authority (City of London) to enforce. We are trying to urge all councils to enforce these bans in their area.