I want to get a dog but I have to work, how does everyone on broadway market do it ?

Mine is KC registered with a trackable lineage but one of my best friends got a cockapoo a month before us and when I asked him he didn't even really know what the KC is let alone if the breeder was reputable.

I think the doodles are particularly bad at this, as they're so popular. We were looking on Pets4Homes for ours originally, and there's places we found which are perfectly legal but which meet every definition of puppy farms.

I wish I could remember her name, but for one of the sellers googling her separately lead to separate hits which let us piece together a much complained about company, based on a farm, employing only two people but housing something like 300 breeding dogs. And it had all the necessary council approvals for dog breeding so was apparently completely legal.

I thought that things like that were just outright illegal nowadays, but apparently not. The advert looked completely legit (pictures with a familly, in a kitchen etc) and meant that I couldn't look at anything from pets4homes after that - I assume they're all puppy / kitten farms.

surely if you have the time and inclination to raise/train a puppy, you could do the same for a rescue? are there really issues that can't be trained out in the same time as it takes for a puppy to reach adulthood?

we found our breeder through pets4homes, they have a search filter for KC registered and the breeder gave us their registration number so we could check it up as well as seeing videos/pictures of the family. But yeah there's a lot of shit on there.

Handsome lad!

the old dear we got our snosser from was lovely. proper OG kennel clubber and the paperwork to prove it - she reckons she's turned more people away than sold dogs to and the first meeting with her and the dogs is to all intents and purposes an opportunity for her to suss you out. I mean... she could be lying and it's all part of an elaborate farming sting but it would seem like a lot of faff just to pull a fast one on the likes of us.

#scoobydoomask etc

The lockdown dog demand is wild - i'd never go near any of the listings on social media etc. but plenty of folk are by the sounds of it - there's so many arseholes breeding random dogs to stick on marketplace it's unreal. We thought about a rescue before we got Mavis but having a 4 yr old & full-time jobs it was a non starter, rehoming charities don't make it easy & the chance of getting a puppy you can train yourself is pretty slim even if you were at home all day with no other pets or children and a big enclosed garden.

Speaking of the Mavis, she's been good as gold - nearly 5 months now & almost the size of a large cat, mad hairy, doesn't mind being left in for a few hours, just goes for a kip on the couch. Needs a good run about in the morning though, starts stealing slippers / chewing the couch etc. if she gets bored, but only if you're there, she acts up to force you to engage with her - even if it's chasing her around the garden in the rain to retrieve what's left of your slippers. Likes pints.

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to add to the heritage talk, Ms Pickles is a Havanese, so called because the breed comes from Cuba then spread when people fled the revolution in the 70s. Her grandad and siblings are Irish Kennel Club registered and the husband of the breeder had an Irish accent so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a connection, above that is Ontario and Virginia and above that is all Spanish names so you can see the family move over here as the original owners fled Cuba.

Her grandad's grandma came from here https://www.facebook.com/joyaseda.havanese/

the old dear we got our snosser from was lovely. proper OG kennel clubber and the paperwork to prove it - she reckons she's turned more people away than sold dogs to and the first meeting with her and the dogs is to all intents and purposes an opportunity for her to suss you out. I mean... she could be lying and it's all part of an elaborate farming sting but it would seem like a lot of faff just to pull a fast one on the likes of us.

Sounds really similar to ours. Otto also came with a lifetime returns guarantee. If we ever could not keep him anymore, his breeder would take him back no questions asked at any point in his life. I was sceptical about this at first...wondered whether it was just an empty promise but then last year, due to serious illness of the owner, she took one of her pups back at age 7.

one bad thing about rescues imo is you struggle to get certain breeds - I'd love a poodle for example but you're not likely to find one in a shelter. seldom get puppies too (though you do get young dogs.) why you'd want a puppy when 'rescues are too much work' though... iunno

If your drive is love for a dog or a cat, you shouldn't have much of a problem from a rescued one, at least not more than from a puppy breed whatever. By chances.

I looked at all the rescues near NW London and it's almost exclusively Staffies and the occassional old Yorkie

Well, of course, if you don't find what you want then go for a breeder. I personally prefer cats, dogs are too much work. But if I could I would certainly go for a big size dog. They seem more lovely.

Whoever it was who stated that any old dog's name could be put on a pedigree as the sire, that's not true, the owner of the dog has to sign the breeding form and give the pedigree id number of said hound.

everyone should just get a rescue greyhound imo - super easy going, very chill animals that walk well on a lead, don't make any noise, don't need lots of space (ideal for flat living), don't need lots of walking, and they are very affectionate. bonus pedigree status too. sure they have their 'issues' but so do all breeds

What are the known issues with greyhounds?

I am in the early stages of looking for a rescue whippet or greyhound and have a young child so would be keen to hear.

I’ve looked after some great whippets and greyhound X’s before and found them very chilled as you say, but with a penchant for short sharp outbursts which I worry might be a but unpredictable with a small child.

everyone should just get a rescue greyhound imo

Not wrong

It was me who said it. Owners get a drink, peds get faked. Been happening for years and even more so now there’s so much money in it.

That program was mental...£30k for a French Bulldog !!

prices have gone through the roof, we'd love to get another bulldog but prices are crazy.

Looking to re-home through the Edward Foundation is not easy either as most dogs that come up prefer to be only dogs and/or no cats.

https://www.theedwardfoundation.co.uk/available-bulldogs

• they can be fragile with susceptibility to frequent corns in their soft pads and skin tears if rough housing
  
• they struggle with separation anxiety due to always being around people at kennels
  
• all of the prey drive issues with small furries, including small dogs, cats, squirrels, rabbits etc
  
  

minor stuff in the grand scheme of things but best to go in with your eyes open

absolute angels with children though, for the most part. they are so gentle, understanding and empathetic. they can be pretty independent and might grumble a little if crowded or hassled but just need to be sensible about not letting your kid troll the dog, like you would have to do with any dog really. can do zoomies too, which could be an issue but again just exercise reasonable caution and should be fine

this seems like a fair summary: https://fourlonglegs.com/greyhounds/greyhounds-safe-around-children/

as much as i love spaniels, I'd have a greyhound or a whippet quite happily if i was starting over again and wanted a quiet life

Thanks for this. Confirms my previous experiences essentially and reassuring to hear

I have little doubt there are fakes out there, particularly now with the ridiculous prices. I was just pointing out that fakery is not straightforward. I have been very lucky, I am on my 7th generation of labs the last 6 sired by my dogs. We had one litter of cockers because we wanted a pup, we turned down more prospective owners than we accepted, most especially an obvious dealer from Sweden who kept increasing his bid. Working cockers and labs are not for everyone and the needs of the puppies should be respected by the breeders.

Any dog has the potential to be difficult. Me and the Mrs used to volunteer at a German Shep rescue and given the choice, I’d have a 1.5 year old dog over a puppy again as long as I could meet it in person prior. If it’s got issues, you can spot them fairly quickly, otherwise you get to rescue a great dog without all the puppy problems.

I reckon out of a hundred or so different dogs I walked and got to know there, probably only 4-5 would have made me nervous to take on. Very few came from legit breeders.

It might be worth having a look at Underdog International. That's where we got Crumpet from, they try to match you with a dog that suits your lifestyle and requirements and a lot of them have been tested with other dogs, cats and young children.
It probably wouldn't work for you if you had your heart set on a whippet or greyhound though because they're mostly mixed breeds!

Tired now after an hour of agility training

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