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Here is a passage concerning the total area available that could be (by stretching your imagination) visited by a bee, vs. the area that the bee would need some form of submarine/bee wet-suit:
The earth seen from space looks like a blue colored planet with constant moving swirls of clouds of earth's everchanging weather. The earth is mostly blue because its large surface area of oceans. The surface area of the bodies takes up 70 percent of earth's total surface area while the land only takes up 30 percent. This is very little land. The highest point on land is Mount Everest and the lowest is the Dead Sea. Land gains and loses heat much quicker than oceans. The land around the middle latitudes usually have hot summers and cold winters. The percentages of earth's land surface can be divided into different types: 20% covered by snow land, 20% mountains, 20% dry land, 30% good land that can be farmed, 10% land doesn't have topsoil. In my research all of the data found on the land surface area was around 1.5 × 108 km2.
From here: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/DanielChen.shtml
This is not a contentious theory by the way- most people would agree with these figures, they can be confirmed by having a look at the following image:
http://jibbering.com/imgs/earth.jpg
By the way- are you drawing your info on de-Glaciation from the now discredited IPCC paper?
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Dammit
do you really believe that photo
Of course man has never been into space, the world is flat
the man thinks it's funny to lie to us that we live on something that looks like one of his testes.
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Yes. wrong about plants and bee's, yes. Something like two thirds of the land mass deforested? thats a football pitch every 4 seconds? you'd like a fact? 56,000 square miles per year?
I knew you'd do this. See, you've departed from the topic again. Forget about the land mass deforested for a split second, forget about all that other stuff that's bubbled up like ripe shit round the trouser band of your troubled mind. Let me remind you, you said:
"2/3rds of all plant life relies on bees to pollinate, as such, that is the end of the world."
Which is horseshit. And if you can't admit that, as I said before, kindly fuck off, because you really are beyond rational redemption.
Sounds alarming, sounds sensationalist, do you actually need figures and percentages to really under stand the gravity of the situation? does looking out of the window or turning on a television not suffice...
Frankly, yes, figures and percentages help, in fact they are essential; and no, looking out of the window or turning on the television isn't enough. Anyway, isn't the television controlled by them?
Why have I had so much trouble for stating this? was it for stating this or the condescending tone? or that I think actually you can make a magnetic generator that overunifies. is that such an extravagent thought? that somehow repulsing magnets cannot be made to work more effeciently than soceity currently uses.
You haven't really said much that makes any sense, to be honest. You don't speak like someone that knows what they are talking about. Abuses of state power, environmental problems, are all real and serious issues but because you cannot be bothered to do them the service of understanding them, and finding evidence for what you say, you make a mockery of yourself, first, and the issues second. That's why people are getting on your case.
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Something like two thirds of the land mass deforested? thats a football pitch every 4 seconds? you'd like a fact? 56,000 square miles per year?
Bizarrely no one was talking about deforestation or tiger cocks or glaciers, all good and worthy causes I am more than sure and certainly related, but not the subject being discussed.
Your numbers don't add up (do you check any of this shit ?).
Standard football pitch = 105 meters x 68 meters = 7140 square meters.
1 year = 525,949 minutes x 60 = 31,556,926 seconds.
31,556,926 / 4 (to give us four second increments) = 7,889,231.
7140 (square meters) x 7,889,231 (four second increments in a year) = 56,329,112,838 (square meters per year)
56,329,112,838 square meters = 21,749 square miles, not even half of your claimed 56,000 square miles per year.
A small point really, I am not doubting that deforestation is a real concern, just pointing out that you are simply throwing any old hastily grabbed information at Sharkstar in an attempt to avoid facing up to the fact that you might be wrong about another of your claims (that "2/3rds of all plant life relies on bees to pollinate, as such, that is the end of the world.").
that somehow repulsing magnets cannot be made to work more effeciently than soceity currently uses, . . .
A wonderful downgrading of your free energy machine notion, it's a kind of inverse straw man argument.
:D
I will have to add that to the list of conspiracy theorist debate techniques.
A: "There is a plot by giant space ants to invade the earth and suck out our brains, they live inside the moon, there are fucking millions of them"
B: "Jesus fucking Christ !"
A: "Yep, you better believe it, and these mother fuckers are planning to invade soon"
B: "Do you have any information, pictures, video or whatever, we need to do something and quickly"
A: "They are using Quantum engines and anti-gravity to propel their giant foul bodies towards the earth"
B: "Good fucking grief, we must warn the media, let me see the info, let me see what you've got"
A: "The media won't listen, they are owned by the illuminati"
B: "Ok, cool, can I see what these fuckers look like, do you have any pictures or information on them"
A: "The illuminati were involved in the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes, he knew about the space ants"
B: "Look, do you have any info for me to look at, by the sounds of it we don't have much time"
A: "UTFS"
B: "What !?"
A: "The information is out there, you just need to get your head out of the sand and take a look, you brainwashed cunt"
B: "Ok, I think I get it, this is just another one of your 'special ideas'
A: "Why have I had so much trouble for stating this? That somehow ants cannot work more efficiently and more be more organized than society thinks ? I mean, that's all I am saying."
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A: "There is a plot by giant space ants to invade the earth and suck out our brains, they live inside the moon, there are fucking millions of them"
B: "Jesus fucking Christ !"
A: "Yep, you better believe it, and these mother fuckers are planning to invade soon"
B: "Do you have any information, pictures, video or whatever, we need to do something and quickly"
A: "They are using Quantum engines and anti-gravity to propel their giant foul bodies towards the earth"
B: "Good fucking grief, we must warn the media, let me see the info, let me see what you've got"
A: "The media won't listen, they are owned by the illuminati"
B: "Ok, cool, can I see what these fuckers look like, do you have any pictures or information on them"
A: "The illuminati were involved in the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes, he knew about the space ants"
B: "Look, do you have any info for me to look at, by the sounds of it we don't have much time"
A: "UTFS"
B: "What !?"
A: "The information is out there, you just need to get your head out of the sand and take a look, you brainwashed cunt"
B: "Ok, I think I get it, this is just another one of your 'special ideas'
A: "Why have I had so much trouble for stating this? That somehow ants cannot work more efficiently and more be more organized than society thinks ? I mean, that's all I am saying."
lol'd
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A wonderful downgrading of your free energy machine notion, it's a kind of inverse straw man argument.
:D
Tynan...that is how you make a 'free energy machine'.
You did know know that, didn't you? oh, despite you being an well read on free energy machines and electromagnetism, as obviously to disregard them so easily you must be pretty gee'd up on that stuff, otherwise you would be you unaware of these being related.
I pulled a figure off google about the football pitch every 4 seconds...so that is erronuous...you maths proves it...actually going by your maths, it's more like a football pitch less than every two seconds? the figure for 56,000 is mentioned on a few sites.
I still fail to see how this has nothing to do with anarchy, you claim that free energy, deforestation, tigers penises, and all the other stuff...are unrelated...
they have nothing to do with anarchy, like I said ..what isnt to get?
ok..so to dumb it down for you...
consumerism at the expense of all plant life...bad.
consumersim at the expense of all animal life...bad
consumerism at the expense of all human life...bad
presently at the rate we are consuming, there will be bugger all left within the next hundred years..so lets get this straight, rather than agree with anything I have said ie whole scale consumerism and poisoning of the entire world resoursces is bad, and is mainly acheived through multinational business models based around a capitalist manifesto...ie you haven't acheived enough until you control 100% of the market share...
You would rather talk in circles and agree to what? that I'm a silly bint and none of this has no relevence whatsoever as I won't post you links?So, global warming and the wholesale bastardisation of the entire planet doesn't happen, and that anarchy isn't related to that argument.... as I am 'weak' on links?
Even though it's pretty obvious when you see polar bears swimming rather than walking?Like I said what isn't to get?
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Tynan...that is how you make a 'free energy machine'.
You did know know that, didn't you? oh, despite you being an well read on free energy machines and electromagnetism, as obviously to disregard them so easily you must be pretty gee'd up on that stuff, otherwise you would be you unaware of these being related.
You make a fair point, I am completely unaware and I am certainly not well read on the subject, my searches have not produced anything credible, not sure what to do really, sure there are people who claim to know about these devices and claim to have seen the kind of information that would dispel any scepticism, but these people want to keep this information secret or think others undeserving of it, it's a really odd old situation - which leaves me with no way of verifying the idea.
I pulled a figure off google about the football pitch every 4 seconds...so that is erronuous...you maths proves it...actually going by your maths, it's more like a football pitch less than every two seconds? the figure for 56,000 is mentioned on a few sites.
Yes, like I said, information grabbed off some website somewhere and repeated here, it's best to check these things.
I still fail to see how this has nothing to do with anarchy, you claim that free energy, deforestation, tigers penises, and all the other stuff...are unrelated...
Don't get me wrong, anarchy is a broad philosophical and ideological canvas and I am sure you could make a decent argument to include just about any subject in a discussion of anarchy, including . . .
Plots to use vaccines to kill off mankind.
Multi-national corporations trying to destroy the health of the planet.
The seas viscosity changing due to plastic waste.
Acid rain.
The 'end times'
America as a global arms dealer.
Women getting the vote.
The works of Schauberger.
The imminent water shortage problem.
The depletion of the fish stocks.
Systematic demolition of the worlds forests.
The eruption of Pinatubo / Krakatoa.
The Mayan and Hindu system of counting / dating.
The fight between Thomas jefferson and the banking elite of europe.
The flood, the Epics of Gilgamesh, the inundation myths.
The Vedas dynastic system of counting.
Vimarnas / Vrishni's / Vrimils (silver metallic flying craft with weapons as powerful as 10,000 suns).
Von Daniken.
The victorians estimating civilization's age from the Bible.
The egyptian dynastic register.
Tiananmen square.
Jean Charles De Menezes.
State inerrancy.
Glacial melting.
Tigers cocks.
Whales grounding themselves.
. . . . . (and so on ad infinitum) - but the particular issue Sharkstar was challanging you on was your claim that -* "2/3rds of all plant life relies on bees to pollinate, as such, that is the end of the world"*.
so lets get this straight, rather than agree with anything I have said ie whole scale consumerism and poisoning of the entire world resoursces is bad
This is perhaps the single most comedic example of a misrepresentation of an argument I might have ever seen.
I doubt there is anyone in the world, let alone this forum who would say the that poisoning of the entire world's resoursces is a good thing.
Obviously this is not something anyone here has taken issue with, to reduce your myriad of disparate and unevidenced knowledge claims down to a simple case of *"all I was saying is that unfettered and rampant consumerism and poisoning of the entire world's resoursces is a bad idea" * - is exactly the point that was made in my thrilling 'killer ant' invasion example above.
I'm a silly bint and none of this has no relevence whatsoever as I won't post you links?
You are conflating several things here, let's split them up:
'I'm a silly bint' - no one has used your sex to challenge your ideas.
"none of this has no relevence whatsoever' - all things have some reference to something, my point was that Sharkstar was challenging a particular claim of yours, your response was to simply assert that he was wrong and you were right, then without explaining why this was the case you moved quickly on to subjects not directly related to his question.
as I won't post you links? - no, your unwillingness to share your data and information sources does not impact on the relevance of tiger cocks to Sharkstar's question, it is irrelevant to his question whether or not you back up your claims.
So, global warming and the wholesale bastardisation of the entire planet doesn't happen, and that anarchy isn't related to that argument.... as I am 'weak' on links?
Global warming is happening according to the best current evidence.
The wholesale bastardisation of the entire planet is a rather more vague claim, but I take your general point, yes there is widespread exploitation of the earth's resources.
".. as I am 'weak' on links?" No, none of this is being denied because you are 'weak on links' - in fact none of this is being denied at all by anyone at anytime. That you are 'weak on links' (cannot credibly back up your claims) is a separate issue.
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Would anyone out there describe themselves as an anarchist?
Do you have any news sites to recommend, besides indymedia?
i guess i've followed this thread with a little bit of interest - but not too much, seeing as somewhere along the way it got diverted somewhat. so this is a bit of an attempt to bring it back on track....
yes, i describe myself as an anarchist.
as for indymedia: i'd like to turn that question around and, perhaps, break it down a bit.
what do you think of indymedia?
in fact, when you say "indymedia," what do you mean? the UK indymedia site? the london indymedia site? One of the other sites, or the entire global network - or something else entirely?
do you think indymedia is exclusively for anarchists? or, should that be, "political activists"?
are there things that you think indymedia should be doing, but doesn't?
do you think that indymedia tries to do too much - is there even a role for indymedia given facebook, twitter, flickr and the other corporate websites that exist nowadays, doing a similar thing?
maybe after there've been a few responses, i'll chip in with some of my own thoughts...
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are there things that you think indymedia should be doing, but doesn't?
reviewing the submissions.
the good stuff gets drowned by the crap.
such as
http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/04/448460.html
http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448424.htmli read it for a while, but just seems so incredibly dull now, too much information, over too many "campaigns", with articles and comments written by people who come across as illiterate and stupid, kind of like a left wing daily mail but more boring.
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Yes. wrong about plants and bee's, yes. Something like two thirds of the land mass deforested? thats a football pitch every 4 seconds? you'd like a fact? 56,000 square miles per year?
Almost every single area of wildlife under the treat of extinction?
the glaciers are melting faster than ever recorded?
Whales grounding themselves here, there and everywhere.
Myanmar tigers hunted for there penis?
Sounds alarming, sounds sensationalist, do you actually need figures and percentages to really under stand the gravity of the situation? does looking out of the window or turning on a television not suffice...
What is there not to get? this El Dorado that is spoken of, that's just here...we just fucked it all up.
This proud and pleasant society.
Thats why it needs a kick up the arse?
Why have I had so much trouble for stating this? was it for stating this or the condescending tone? or that I think actually you can make a magnetic generator that overunifies. is that such an extravagent thought? that somehow repulsing magnets cannot be made to work more effeciently than soceity currently uses, now you can kindly fuck off. You say 'oh if it was possible we would have done it, really? Tell you what rather than tell me I'm wrong. look.
I know you haven't really looked in to it yet, as you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.