Pavement etiquette

@virgin
cool name for a dog. ^^
pavement riding drives me mental, especially it is an adult,
engage the person,
(yeah alright if they are a mentalist and its dark, and you arent in your own area, etc. etc. dont)
ask them why arent they capable of riding on the road, are they scared? are they incompetant? shouldnt they be trying to grow up, if they are remotely capable of understanding the pros of cycling, then they should be at least listening to you,
suggest they get training, they may not even be aware that they are pissing people off, such is the 'me me me' attitude that prevails.
if all above fails, carry on, you are not the problem, offer assistance to anyone disturbed by someone who should know better.
then have a cup a of tea and a biscuit.
I firmly believe that peds and riders can co -exist on suitable peds areas, IF riders can be happy enough to go around walking pace,
and have proved it loads of times.

Is it OK to cycle on the pavement whilst out cycling with children?

so damo's avatar is an animal that's not being bummed?

get in while you can james.

Is it OK to cycle on the pavement whilst out cycling with children?

I would be inclined to say yes, so long as adequate respect was still paid to pedestrians. For a start you would be going slowly anyway.

@Andy W..... NO NO NO .... it's the equivalent of those BBC2 safari wildlife programmes... survival of the fittest.... Darwin's theory and all that... chances are they won't get knocked off..... probably... put a luminous skid lid on them.... gives 'em a fighting chance then! ;-)

Is it OK to cycle on the pavement whilst out cycling with children?

could you ask an easier one please?

firstly, you are asking me to give some judgement, Im not a parent,
so that rules me out of knowing exactly how parents feel.

If you are, it would be sensible to ask yourself,
is this even navigable by me and a kid on a bike?, if not, then why bother in the first place.
if yes, is my kid 10? (arbitrary age guidance, some kids progress at quicker/slower rates than others) because if yes, again why cant I try riding behind them giving instructions as we go on the road, or they ride on the pavement you on the road.
another qualifier, if its peak times, busy roads, even if they are 10,
are you trying to scare the shit out of your kids, why not try the park, or somewhere enjoyable?
if they are good conditions, and the roads are suitable, HTFU and take responsibility, riding on the pavement just pisses people off.
(this answer is incomplete, but some way towards an attempt )

Thanks for the relpy. Wasn't looking for judgement.

My daughter (5) and I ride home most nights from after school club, the first half a mile is a very fast road (although it is a 30 limit, it is right at the end of a no limit zone) with a little traffic, the pavement is on the wrong side for her to be on the pavement and me on the road without being on the wrong side of the carriageway. I ride on the pavement behind her. We then take a shortcut through a new estate where she rides on the road (very quiet roads) until we reach another main road where she again on the pavement and me on the road. She Doesn't get rattled by cars passing her but is, as all children can be, easily distracted.

Teach them young and make it fun.

In my eyes this is perfectly safe for her, me and other road users.

In the park she only wants to skid.

Either throw poo at them, or cum.

Thanks for the relpy. Wasn't looking for judgement.

My daughter (5) and I ride home most nights from after school club, the first half a mile is a very fast road (although it is a 30 limit, it is right at the end of a no limit zone) with a little traffic, the pavement is on the wrong side for her to be on the pavement and me on the road without being on the wrong side of the carriageway. I ride on the pavement behind her. We then take a shortcut through a new estate where she rides on the road (very quiet roads) until we reach another main road where she again on the pavement and me on the road. She Doesn't get rattled by cars passing her but is, as all children can be, easily distracted.

Teach them young and make it fun.

In my eyes this is perfectly safe for her, me and other road users.

In the park she only wants to skid.

If you are being courteous and polite whats the problem?

Is it OK to cycle on the pavement whilst out cycling with children?

It's legal in Australia for an adult to supervise under-12s along a footpath.

Its my default setting.

Cheers Hippy.

It's legal in Australia for an adult to supervise under-12s along a footpath.

May I be the first to say so what has australia got to do with london pavement riding ;)

Come on its children on bikes, its not as if they are riding fast.

it's simply about being responsible and considerate.
Know the peds have priority and there isn't an issue...
I'm going to be at that stage soon with my kids.
Teach them to pull over, wait for peds etc...

Peeps only get pissed off with cnuts that have no consideration for others barging through etc...

May I be the first to say so what has australia got to do with london pavement riding ;)

Come on its children on bikes, its not as if they are riding fast.

You don't have children do you? They go quite fast enough.

Peeps only get pissed off with cnuts that have no consideration for others barging through etc...

I agree completly. Now do we get kiddie bike photos?

No.

You don't have children do you? They go quite fast enough.

Do you think I found someone to procreate with? Is the fast enough comment an over protective parent.

If they're smaller, high tackle, shoeing, destruction of bike.

As long as they are over 11.

Do you think I found someone to procreate with? Is the fast enough comment an over protective parent.

No and no.

May I be the first to say so what has australia got to do with london pavement riding ;)

Come on its children on bikes, its not as if they are riding fast.

The question said nothing about London.

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php

*According to the Department for Transport (DfT), the maximum fine for cycling on the pavement from the courts is £500. However it is more usually enforced by way of the Fixed Penalty Notice procedure (FPN) which carries a £30 fine if pleading guilty. However, there is a view that the FPN can only be issued to those over 16.

"The DfT view, from discussions with Home Office, is that the law applies to all but the police can show discretion to younger children cycling on the pavement for whom cycling on the road would not be a safe option."

The age of criminal responsibility is 10 so, technically, only children below this age can cycle on pavements without fear of redress.

While adults are not allowed to cycle on 'footways' (see definition above), children up to the age of 16 cannot be prosecuted for doing so, see text above for clarification.

When using segregated cycle-paths ie signed footways shared with pedestrians, cyclists ought to keep to the side intended for cyclists.*

The question said nothing about London.

And why would it, I'm not in London.

Read all that Hippy, its just I was challenged by le fuzz the other day about said child being on the road, we skidded and RLJ'd, then shot off down a one way so he couldn't follow.*

*Not true, we actually had quite a nice chat about lots of things cycling related.

The question said nothing about London.

True I sit corrected.

http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php

*According to the Department for Transport (DfT), the maximum fine for cycling on the pavement from the courts is £500. However it is more usually enforced by way of the Fixed Penalty Notice procedure (FPN) which carries a £30 fine if pleading guilty. However, there is a view that the FPN can only be issued to those over 16.

"The DfT view, from discussions with Home Office, is that the law applies to all but the police can show discretion to younger children cycling on the pavement for whom cycling on the road would not be a safe option."

The age of criminal responsibility is 10 so, technically, only children below this age can cycle on pavements without fear of redress.

While adults are not allowed to cycle on 'footways' (see definition above), children up to the age of 16 cannot be prosecuted for doing so, see text above for clarification.

When using segregated cycle-paths ie signed footways shared with pedestrians, cyclists ought to keep to the side intended for cyclists.*

Common sense has to be used IMO, if pavement riding is in an anti social way a FPN can be a way to teach people. But how about being courteous and polite if pavement riding?

sometimes cycling on the pavement whilst you try and filter back onto the road is ok, if it's slow and considered.
i noticed that people are ok with it as long as you show due care and attention and give peds the right of way.
When you push through and all that fast business, it's obviously not good.