26" vs 700c

I think the key for me at least is that my scissor is just a normal bike that I can ride comfortably with a few details that help it with rough treatment. I love bmx's/ 26" jump bikes and trials bikes too but those bikes are all much more specific than my scissor, I wouldn't want to just go cruising in Delamere for example.

I reckon a Scissor with drops'd be ace other than twitchiness - the extra long top tube would mean shorter stem and I dont like drops on short stems. Just a personal thing.

As an aside my next project is a 26" single speed with a tight rear end and bmx geo but I want to be able to sit down properly - that ESB with V braze ons would be absolutely perfect! I was looking at a genesis IO in one size too big so I had that extra top tube length for a bmx stem.

I think the important thing is people are enjoying their bikes. To me it gets stupid if your picking a 700cmx bike (urgh!), doing only bmx type stuff (i.e not utilising the fixed aspect) and it's the bike holding you back because you think that a fixed trick bike is somehow more legitimate or cooler.

To be honest I suspect that as with polo it's the fixed aspect that would prevent a lot of stuff as opposed to the frame geo... hence my thinking about a freewheel for my future 26" bike.

I am with you on that - i dont do FGFS, but the bikes appeal to me as something to bomb around on

i have a v1 cutter and i bought it because i wanted a steel frame on the relative cheap at the time it was either that or a surly steamroller pretty much and the cutter was cheaper! i dont use it for tricks but for generally "bombing round" on whilst still having quite traditional geo and i have to say i dont think theres anything id rather do it on

I love Teds new one off 26er he built for a customer recently - i would expect most machines to go down this route over the next couple of years

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that was custom built to take 26'' or 700c, with the bb height calculated by splitting the difference between the two. the wheels were built up and the frame built around them which i thought was interesting. super sick set up imo tho theres no way id do it justice...gimmie a freewhell and rear brake these days!

...gimmie a freewhell and rear brake these days!

That post sums up the argument really well - if you stuck a freewheel and rear brake on the Ted Custom ESB up there it ***wouldn't ***be the same bike as that jump bike. Everyone's talking 'geo' and angles but there's a massive difference between being able to sit down (properly) and not - it doesnt need to necessarily affect the angles - just how long the seat tube is) . That's why as I've said above my next build is a 26" freewheel but not a DJ bike. (400mm seatposts have been ignored for the sake of this argument!)

It's also a 24" jump bike, which is not what we've been comparing.

Why are you discounting 400mm seatposts?

I look at the white bike there and the green bike a little further up and see pretty much the same bike.
Sure there's the sus fork on the white one so it has a bit higher front end but I could easily find a similar bike with a rigid fork which would be even more similar.
Other than that, Ted's green bike has a higher seat than the white one but the difference doesn't really seem that big. To me it just mirrors the way some bmx frames have a really short seat tube and low top tube:

and others have a longer set tube and a less sloping toptube:

The difference in those bmx frames has nothing to do with being able to sit down and pedal or sitting down for tricks, it's just a different design.

Comparing these bikes to bmx's makes me think that another reason to ride fixed for tricks is that it allows you to ride brakeless.
But then the issue of brakes opens up the whole question of function or aesthetics again.

Why are you discounting 400mm seatposts?

just really dont like them - plus on some jump frames you still wouldn't be able to get full leg extension.

How tall are you?

I love Teds new one off 26er he built for a customer recently - i would expect most machines to go down this route over the next couple of years

that was custom built to take 26'' or 700c, with the bb height calculated by splitting the difference between the two. the wheels were built up and the frame built around them which i thought was interesting. super sick set up imo tho theres no way id do it justice...gimmie a freewhell and rear brake these days![/QUOTE]

that is basically a refined charge stove.

if mtb has progressed to 29'er wheels for stability why use 26"?

MTB is a very ride cycling area now so it's only some riders riding in some way that use 29er wheels. It's a bit like road bike encapsulates racing road bikes, touring bikes, t.t bikes e.t.c a lot of very different bikes.

26" = wider tyre choice and a slightly strong wheel for the weight. Rough surfaces are not an issue so the rolling advantage of a 29er wheel / wide 700c wheel is not really any use.

It's also a 24" jump bike, which is not what we've been comparing.

It's 26".

Just like this one

In regard to the post 2 up from here... pegs on anything but a BMX are both ridiculous and insane.

Bmx will always be best for tricks, due, simply to their low stand over height, immensely short back end, steep head angle and generally being very chuckable.

I fail to see how anyone can argue that riding a fixed trick bike can make anything easier (other than the obvious backwards-spin-things). However I would champion the fact that people ride them because they are really fun and something different to the current offerings of bmx and street-mtb. I wouldn't say they should be incomparable, as people always will, but they are bikes built for different purposes and with different capabilities. As long as you know and expect the limits (eg. speed, distance, tricks) of your chosen bike then you will have a whale of a time!

^ not that I know anything about bmx or fixedtricking, but I think the main reason people chose normal sized bikes over bmx's is because they are a normal size, not becasue they trick better.

... but I think the main reason people chose normal sized bikes over bmx's is because they are a normal size, not becasue they trick better.

That's exactly why I chose this
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Just like this one

that bike is ridiculous

Im surprised its to do with the geo, I mean it seems like most of the hardcore fixed street riders are just pulling bmx tricks which is what the mtb frames are designed for. I would have guessed that the main issue is that street mtbs are designed to have slammed saddles/seatposts. Riding fixed whilst constantly standing up isnt going to be that fun and as proved with that Brooklyn, having a massive seatpost just looks terrible.

I would have thought the original idea of tricks on a fixed was to utilise the bikes 'fixed' mechanics in the execution of a particular trick. Or is that too simple an idea? (not disagreeing with above quote btw I'm just adding a follow on idea).

tricking on 700c just doesnt make sense

Not a problem.

that bike is ridiculous

If its freewheel it aint so bad. Could do with more spokes in the wheel though.

That's exactly why I chose this
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nice work. what size tyre width are they?

I Googled the tyres they come In 2.1 and 1.9. If tats a Thrasher then its 1.9