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• #27
The SJS ads on this thread are now showing various bottle cages. Now even your sponsor is harassing you!
(except they have gone since I logged in)
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• #28
My wife caught me on Pornhub so she stripped naked, and asked me to act out a scene with her. It was my ultimate fantasy.
I was hammering away when this bloke tapped me on my shoulder.
"Excuse me mate," he said. "Do you want to get ripped in four weeks?"
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• #29
The SJS ads on this site are now showing various bottle cages. Now even your sponsor is harassing you!
Except I know nothing of what you do there, and they know nothing of what you do here.
There is a local database table on the LFGSS servers that is a copy of the SJS product list, and I do a local fulltext search to determine the adverts to present.
SJS don't know what you look at here, and I don't know what you look at there. What you do there is none of my business, and vice versa.
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• #30
it's random key word association.
i could spend all friday opening random topic threads to see what SJS come up with.
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• #31
My thoughts down more succinctly than I have thus far, in an open letter thing to Wiggle:
1) Regardless of what disclaimers you put in your user agreements, it is not cool to give behavioural information to a third party in any form.
I don't care for the letter of the law, I care for the relationship between the business and the customer and to be treated with respect and dignity.
If you sent someone down the High St after me to watch what I was doing and then to opportunistically to place flash cards in the cafés I visited, I would rightly be indignant and feel harassed as if I was being singled out. Think about how substantially different this kind of advertising is from that experience.
2) It's pushy, plain and simple.
If you were a pushy salesman, I would walk out and not come back.
Think very carefully about pissing off your customers. It's well known that it's harder to make new customers than it is to keep the ones you have.
This is good. As is recall is is 8x the cost of acquire new customers over the cost of keeping new ones.
I am a Gold/Platinum member there. I wonder how many others there are on here...it would add some weight to the point you are making.
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• #32
I'm a Wiggle Tin Foil member..
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• #33
I have experienced wiggle pushing products at me on random sites and it was extra annoying. I agree the track and follow advertising is going too far. However it's the future I guess.
TV advertising is very invasive if you think about it. It takes over the whole screen for about 4 minutes every 24 minutes. It's just been around so long we are used to it.
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• #34
doh, hippy beat me to it!!
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• #35
Everytime I do a google search for a rare or slightly old product, that I am interested in. One of the first hits is often a wiggle froogle hit. Its usually a fantastic price too. But they never have said item in stock. Instead you are redirected to similar items on Wiggle.
Grrr.
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• #36
Everytime I do a google search for a rare or slightly old product, that I am interested in I am given a link to LFGSS
Grrr.fixed
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• #37
You can report them to Google for that.
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport?hl=en&pli=1It's basically link spam.
Mark it at least as having "deceptive redirects" (they bounce you to alternative products), and "page not meeting googles description" (i.e. they say they have something in the froogle data but actually don't)
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• #38
quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
(yay, second time this month i've been able to post that)
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• #39
Wiggle!
thats a blessing compared to my constant offers for better longer bigger orgasmsWho do you offer those to? You haven't contacted me once.
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• #40
Dudes. This is the world we live in. If you have issues with it, apply industrial magnets to your hard drives every week, always wear a disguise and never sign your name to anything.
The man is not going to go away.
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• #41
Dudes. This is the world we live in. If you have issues with it, apply industrial magnets to your hard drives every week, always wear a disguise and never sign your name to anything.
The man is not going to go away.
Rubbish.
You don't have to accept things. It just creeps along, at some point you've got to push back. We can actually do stuff.
Criteo make money from clients like Wiggle. Wiggle want us as customers and I'm pretty sure we represent a not insignificant chunk of their revenue.
Then there's this place as a site... how much money do Wiggle make as a result of links on the site going to them when we talk about items? Would they like them all re-written and pointed to comparison shopping engines?
We don't have to blithely accept things we're uncomfortable with. Businesses, governments... they will push and continue pushing until we push back. And then they'll ease off for a while and push again. At no point can we roll over and just say, yeah fuck our privacy, fuck us too... we're too lazy and disillusioned to tell you where to go.
Bollocks to accepting this stuff.
Heh... I get angrier the more dismissive others get ;)
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• #42
dk - this opt-out is great!
I've had Wiggle lifeline triple pack of spoke keys appear all over teh interwebs.
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• #43
thanks for the opt out velocio
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• #44
Rubbish.
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Heh... I get angrier the more dismissive others get ;)
I completely agree D.
Unfortunately, we are past the point of being able to control the amount of personal information that is accessible by third parties.
I was just pointing out that it is a full time job trying to limit how much more information is collected and used.
Also, the lines are blurred between what is genuinely useful and time saving and what is intrusive.
I do work in advertising though, and was actually impressed the first time I saw one of those ads.
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• #45
thanks for thread, may be less affected than some, as my internet shopping is limited and tend to get discount on bike parts though shops and friends- but excellent information for all
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• #46
i hate wiggle anyhow. i get literally an email every other day from them. spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam.
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• #47
i hate wiggle anyhow. i get literally an email every other day from them. spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam.
Yep I agree I get emails from them all the time, probably more than 1 a day at the moment.
Just said that and got an email from them!!
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• #48
i hate wiggle anyhow. i get literally an email every other day from them. spam spam spam spam spam eggs and spam.
At the bottom of the email you will find the following.
"© Wiggle 2010 | Terms of Service & Privacy Policy
If you do not wish to receive similar emails in the future, change your email profile or unsubscribe."Also, there is legal obligation to always always an opt out button on all forms which collect data.
I personally default to opt out on any forms I spec, but you need to ensure that it is ticked.
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• #49
I always opt to hit the spam button. I hope that email providers are doing their bit to track spam and that by people clicking spam it sends it to the spam box for others too. So it feels like a nice "helping others like you" thing, whereas just unsubbing helps no-one but yourself.
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• #50
Unsubscribe will remove your details from the offending DB (or at least notify them of your lack of interest), thus deleting another record. Does adding to spam actually do anything besides tell your ISP to put errant mails in your spam folder.
Wiggle!
thats a blessing compared to my constant offers for better longer bigger orgasms