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COCK IT! we are all fucking doomed!
i'm going to Scotland to die a quick and violent death
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lol
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Just in case people are interested in some people are interested in some of these issues related to this these are two easy documentaries although a little out of date in some respecta.
Taking liberties
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3351275215846218544&ei=Xc5qS9b9L8rP-Ab7h-nNAw&q=taking+liberties&hl=en&client=firefox-a#God it's depressing
Behaviour analyzing computer software.. i'd be arrested after every all day session when it takes me 40 mins to work the cash machine. once i have removed the remains of my pork scratchings from it.
Every road incident, trip, lost mobile, poor conditioned road, red light jumping.. the job lot. i am requesting footage.
http://www.met.police.uk/information/request_forms.htm
make them work for it
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Every road incident, trip, lost mobile, poor conditioned road, red light jumping.. the job lot. i am requesting footage.
http://www.met.police.uk/information/request_forms.htm
make them work for it
Screw it! they charge
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I want an SD card that encrypts on the fly, and steganographically stores your pictures of
upskirtsarhictecture within containers of pictures of kittins.A version of this on cameras would be good
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God it's depressing
Behaviour analyzing computer software.. i'd be arrested after every all day session when it takes me 40 mins to work the cash machine. once i have removed the remains of my pork scratchings from it.
The European Security Research are working on the 'Samurai' programme a new CCTV system being funded by the European Commission (your money) - this is capable of identifying individuals and tracking them if they are acting 'suspiciously' in any way - even in crowds, it's all part of a larger programme called the Fp7 security research programme - this will likely take state surveillance to a whole new level.
The system includes a 'heterogeneous sensor network' of fix-positioned CCTV cameras as well as mobile cameras (I am assuming by mobile they mean fixed on vans/cars and airborne (?))
Unlike current CCTV the newer systems like 'Samurai' will also feature audio and positioning sensors, opening up the capability for our conversation (as opposed to just visual images) to now also fall under state surveillance.
Every road incident, trip, lost mobile, poor conditioned road, red light jumping.. the job lot. i am requesting footage.
http://www.met.police.uk/information/request_forms.htm
make them work for it
If you live in London do not expect to have any FOI requests to do with requesting footage met - a single clause "we may not provide you with information that identifies other individuals." means this right is effectively redundant in London due to the vanishingly small chance that you were the exclusive star of the CCTV footage.
Had your camera knocked out of your hands and damaged by a 'Community Support' officer - and need the footage to establish a case for compensation ? Too bad the footage contains other people - or even just you and the PCSO. It's a little bit of stitch up to be honest - although to be fair I have seen footage where they have (if the supporting cast is a small enough number) blacked out or pixelated the other people's faces in the clip - but for them to be bothered enough to do this I expect the request would have to come from some QC in a serious criminal case (assault, murder . . . and so on).
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Steganography gives you on the spot deniability, however.
true crypt does have a hidden file system too, plus a** bluff hidden** file system so you can give fake encrypted data.
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I want an SD card that encrypts on the fly, and steganographically stores your pictures of
upskirtsarhictecture within containers of pictures of kittins.Since the introduction of RIPA - refusal to provide the encryption keys to the police (even if you are not suspected of any wrongdoing) can lead to a 10 year prison term.
Technology is no protection of your privacy from the prying fingers of the state.
Some bloke (poor fella' was autistic / paranoid delusional) got done fairly recently for this very thing - there was no accusation of a crime - I think he got the full 10 year sentence.
I will try and dig out a link . . . . . .
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2 for run of the mill refusal, 5 for turrurrurrist related refusal, no?
Not sure how it divides up, I think the maximum term is 10 years.
Pictures of kittins is not refusal to hand over keys, however.
If a file is found that is encrypted, the police are very likely to be curious, even if there is no suspicion of an offence having being committed, refusal to hand over the keys is likely to lead to a prison term.
So there need be no crime to start with.
Talking of kittens . . . http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/tiger_police/
. . . .for me this points to the unpleasant reality that surveillance is broadening it's reach, it's not great to know that police and local councils now have the power to (and now do) trawl forums and social networks like facebook looking for admissions of criminality (or intent), I think I said as far back as last year that an admission to something as smalltime as RLjumping or kicking a wing mirror off might not be a wise thing to post up on a forum anymore, no one is going to storm your place in the dead of night because you kicked a wing mirror off, but it won't surprise many to see FPNs or missives sent out solely on evidence gathered on forums/social networks.
One (albeit small) check and balance is that there has to be reasonable suspicion of an offence for a senior officer to require encryption keys to be handed over.
The Reg has something. I recall the fella's refusal as being a mix of principled stand, and outright nuttery.
Yeah found the Reg report . . . here's a link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/ripa_jfl/page4.html . . . poor nutter, should have been a health issue not a criminal issue.
[/gets tin hat on and goes down the pub]
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The European Security Research are working on the 'Samurai' programme a new CCTV system being funded by the European Commission (your money) - this is capable of identifying individuals and tracking them if they are acting 'suspiciously' in any way - even in crowds, it's all part of a larger programme called the Fp7 security research programme - this will likely take state surveillance to a whole new level.
The system includes a 'heterogeneous sensor network' of fix-positioned CCTV cameras as well as mobile cameras (I am assuming by mobile they mean fixed on vans/cars and airborne (?))
Unlike current CCTV the newer systems like 'Samurai' will also feature audio and positioning sensors, opening up the capability for our conversation (as opposed to just visual images) to now also fall under state surveillance.
As highlighted in the Video Tommy linked to - they knew the details of the sept 11th bombers but failed to process the sheer volumes of data in time.
I fail to see how reliance on image based systems and neural network based pattern matching can supply anything more substantial than reports, statistics and graphs.
We would only ever be safe if terrorist behaved in a such unique special ways, what about the WoW fans, Goths, Emos, internet nerds.. the thousands of other people whose behaviour is not considered normal? Tynan.. you are fucked son!
In order to make progress they will have to shift the law so areas that are deemed antisocial i.e. get in the way of their “investigations” can be penalised, to make their ventures appear successful and demonstrate the good they are doing.
The opportunity for “function creep” is un-thinkable and for criminals to use these tools in their favour is real James Bond badie shit
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I recall the fella's refusal as being a mix of principled stand, and outright nuttery.
Spotted.. Tynan
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Part 3, section 53, of RIPA makes it 2 years, the Trurururururism Act makes it 5.
Cheers for that, I was reasonably certain it was 10, must have been poor reporting (or heavy drinking on my part).
There has to be an underlying cause for the section 49 notice:
"(b) for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime; or" - bingo!
'Detecting' here being the salient word.
They could do this before RIPA. RIPA actually makes it harder for them to do this, as they need to do so under the regulation of RIPA.
. . . . but pre-RIPA these powers were not rolled out to the burgeoning army of petty figures of authority (rather than bona fide police officers) - local councils being amongst a huge range of public bodies that have been given these powers, pre-RIPA there were (as far as I am aware) 0 incidents of the public being surveilled (legally) by the local council - but by 2007 nearly half a million (439,000) requests for communication traffic data were made in the 18 month period between Jan 2005 and March 2006 - RIPA massively expanded this kind of surveillance - and made much of it possible (from the perspective of who could spy on their fellow citizens) - RIPA also massively expanded the reach of what actions could justify surveillance (or at least the way it was drafted allowed for broader interpretation of what was justifiable surveillance).
So although I agree that having the regulation does what it says on the tin and regulates that actions of those using these powers, but the numbers are unambiguous, by the governments own figures 1 in 78 of the entire British public came under some form of state surveillance during this 18 month period - and all indicators are that it's use has only grown since then. This does not indicate to me that these powers have become harder to use ?
They'll be watching.
They won't recognise me in my bear costume and tin hat.
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We would only ever be safe if terrorist behaved in a such unique special ways . . .
Which kind of brings us back to our original point, terrorists are not so stupid that they will fail to spot that all they need to do is modify their behaviour to circumnavigate a detection system
The police are still stopping people stood in the street with a full size SLR camera and tripod and harassing them under anti-terrorism legislation - as if a terrorist would not simply snap a picture on his mobile phone from the back seat of a taxi or the top deck of a bus like so many tourists (I am a photographer not a tourist t-shirt anyone ?) but instead go out on his scouting mission with a fucking tripod and and SLR and stand in full view of the public and no doubt multiple CCTV views and in clear view of the police and start composing his shot.
what about the WoW fans, Goths, Emos, internet nerds.. the thousands of other people whose behaviour is not considered normal? Tynan.. you are fucked son!
They will never fucking catch me, I have got a pair of heelys, bastards never thought of that in their anti-tourism legalisation did they ?
In order to make progress they will have to shift the law so areas that are deemed antisocial i.e. get in the way of their “investigations” can be penalised, to make their ventures appear successful and demonstrate the good they are doing.
Well that kind of thing is already happening, Section 44 of the Terrorism Act gives the police the power to stop and search anyone that want within a designated geographical area - under this act the police do not need to suspect you of having done anything wrong (no requirement for reasonable suspicion - no requirement that you have done or are going to do anything wrong) - this extraordinary power - literally the profound power for one group within the community to exercise absolute and unaccountable dominion over the rest of the community - is clearly legislated to be temporary (the maximum authorization lasts 28 days) and restricted to a limited geographical area.
But this authorization has been applied to the whole of greater London and made permanent by the constant renewal of the order every 28 days - it has now been in place continuously for years - not the intended limited period - it has become normalized - this alone has profoundly changed the relationship between state and the people.
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i think the taking liberties video was mentioned further up a little bit. for those that havent seen it i would have a little look. its good.
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anything with the t-word will get you in trouble within minutes stepping into the public domain and to 95% of the public will not see the message behind the t-shirt.
the majority of the public fail to see how there freedom is being compromise and if they dont wake-up to reality soon then they will suffer for it.
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I might buy one of these, I get stopped under S44 so much that I'm starting to find new ways of irritating them.
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Well that kind of thing is already happening, Section 44 of the Terrorism Act gives the police the power to stop and search anyone that want within a designated geographical area - under this act the police do not need to suspect you of having done anything wrong (no requirement for reasonable suspicion - no requirement that you have done or are going to do anything wrong) - this extraordinary power - literally the profound power for one group within the community to exercise absolute and unaccountable dominion over the rest of the community - is clearly legislated to be temporary (the maximum authorization lasts 28 days) and restricted to a limited geographical area.
This is true but you can ask for:
[]Their name and the station where they work (unless the search is in relation to suspected terrorist activity or giving his or her name may place the officer in danger. They must then give a warrant card or identification number)
[]The law under which you have been stopped
[]Your rights
[]Why you have been stopped and searched
[]Why they chose you
[]What they are looking forAND
The police officer will ask for your name and address and date of birth. You do not have to give this information if you don’t want to, unless the police officer says they are reporting you for an offence.
This includes the handing over of goods.
If carried out properly it is a pain in the arse and waste of time... BUT it can be made more of an inconvinience to them.I keep these lists in a pad in my camera bag. if they get annoyed you also make a note of that. you can then report them
Man size wheelies, they are this years Deep Vs! no one will see it coming
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Apologies for the fisking !
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. . . * Section 44 of the Terrorism Act gives the police the power to stop and search anyone that want within a designated geographical area . . . *
This is true but you can ask for:
Their name and the station where they work . . . . They must then give a warrant card or identification number)
Technically yes, but if they do not want to identify themselves what are you going to do ? You could make a complaint, it might be looked at - and if it is - then it is almost certain that no action will be taken against the officer.
There are no end of incidents of officers not identifying themselves, it is commonplace.
The law under which you have been stopped
Yep, they must tell you that you are being stopped under section 44 - but again (and I hate to sound like a broken record) if they fail to tell you - either wilfully or not - so what ? No one is really going to get too excited about a complaint about a technical oversight.
Why you have been stopped and searched
They do not need to give a reason under section 44, like I say they can stop who they like when they like whenever they please, no reason needed.
Why they chose you
They do not need to give any reason under section 44.
What they are looking for
Not under section 44, they do not need to have a reason for stopping you.
The police officer will ask for your name and address and date of birth. You do not have to give this information if you don’t want to, unless the police officer says they are reporting you for an offence.
This right to withhold your personal details exists only in the minds of the legislators, effectively there is no right, if you chose to exercise what is technically your right and refuse to hand over your personal details to an officer you will be deemed as having an 'attitude' (the police's own term for those who refuse to identify themselves) - you will be seen as acting suspiciously by withholding your name and address - which opens you up to further investigation - push your 'rights' far enough and you will done for 'obstruction', 'anti-social behaviour', 'harassment, alarm or distress' or any of the 'catch-all' statues/Acts regularly abused/misused by officers.
Basically you should see these kinds of encounters in the same way as being mugged.
You can protest to the mugger that what he is doing is illegal and point out your rights under this or that section of the law, but that is not going to make any difference he will do his thing regardless - similarly these kinds of incidents with the police can be seen in a similar way, you can point out what the police officer can and can't do under the law, but he won't be too interested and will eventually get what he wants - if it's your name or your address or to look at the pictures on your camera or even to delete them there is little you can do.
To put this in perspective, not all officers / PCSOs, enforcement officers (and the rest) brush the law aside so readily, but those who do have little to stop them.
This includes the handing over of goods.
If carried out properly it is a pain in the arse and waste of time... BUT it can be made more of an inconvinience to them.You've obviously never been arrested for obstruction ! : )
To be honest you can do all these things you say, but you need to try it to see how ineffective it is in an actual encounter - to see how much even talking back to an officer will really piss them off, to start explaining your rights under the law will have you instantly labelled as 'cocky' - which will just lead to a fishing exercise where by they will detain you long enough to find something - absolutely anything - to do you for if they wish to.
For example that Italian art student girl who was recently harassed, intimidated, detained (and from what I can tell assaulted during her arrest) and generally fucked about with by officers and PCSOs for taking photos - had section 44 of the terrorism act, a cycling violation and section 31 of the Crime and disorder Act (Harassment, alarm or distress) - all used against her at one point or another.
if they get annoyed you also make a note of that. you can then report them
Report = 0.
Police = 1.It's not like the IPCC is going to be interested : ) they are not going to go running down to the CPS because some police officer deleted your photos - you might, if lucky, get a reply from the station saying "sorry, the officer was a new recruit and inexperienced in these matters" (even if he looked like he had been in the force for 30 years).
P.S - where you on or near Oxford Street yesterday around 7.30pm ?
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i think you should not just give all your information over so easily. mentioning on what grounds he/she stopping you ect ect will give the impression you know your rights and the officer will feel he/she can not take the piss so easily as you know your rights.
basically give your information but hint that you are aware of your rights.
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Photographer films his own 'anti-terror' arrest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest
Straight to the video: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2010/feb/21/police-arrest-photographer
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Yes, that's what I meant. Not 'available under law' but 'available as per the state of the technology'.