Winter glove redesign... ideas wanted

removable washable liners would be ace

also the slimer wrist straps help keep them under the over jacket and stop water running in.

I also like those that have a strap to help pull them on with the be-gloved hand

The wrist straps is one thing i mentioned to him...they need to go through a loop to allow them to pull back on themselves IMO...this makes it easier with the 'be-gloved' hand.

what jacket do you wear with them?

A montane...to be honest it fits over them, but due to the box being on the outside and thus having a squarer edge to it they catch more and make it awkward to do with a be-gloved hand.

How easy it is to turn them on / off when you are wearing them? (if you want to turn them off without stopping etc)

You have already mentioned a thumb snot wipe area, but as well as that speaking a spectacle wearer another large wiping area is need on the wrist / back of hand to help wipe glasses when riding.

my motorbike gloves have got a rubber visor wiper, like a tiny car windscreen wiper, on the thumb

what is ecological impact going to be if we all indulge ourselves with battery operated gloves and such like? sounds like a waste of energy.

Removable, seamless merino wool liner.

How easy it is to turn them on / off when you are wearing them? (if you want to turn them off without stopping etc)

The switch is on the battery box and is quite small...i can do it through the battery pocket cover, but as you can't see the red light you can't tell instantly if you've done it.
You can always open the flap, but again...not as easy with a glove on due to no pull tab on the flap.

For longer rides, the heating elements could be powered by a front wheel mounted dynamo.

what is ecological impact going to be if we all indulge ourselves with battery operated gloves and such like? sounds like a waste of energy.

So does me buying 20+ pairs of useless gloves over the years.
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if you have raynauds, you dont care about using a few more batteries every winter

less energy than getting the tube every day for 3 months

I'm not saying everyone should buy or even needs heated gloves...the majority of people get on fine with regular gloves...not all of us do though.

if you have raynauds, you dont care about using a few more batteries every winter

less energy than getting the tube every day for 3 months

Exactly.

So does me buying 20+ pairs of useless gloves over the years.
:)

if you chucked them away then yes i suppose.

scott is there a shop in london I can try these out? Was looking at some winter cycling gloves but might as well try some of these, they are similar price

socks?

It's all about the sleeves.

Either go under the cycling jacket (but this means thin which probably won't work) or go over.

If you're going over then account for arms being outstretched, so have enough space to cover the wrists fully even with the jacket sleeves having moved back.

And if the jacket sleeves does move back, allow it to move forward again... soften that line.

I wouldn't choose gloves that had an elasticated wrist like that, I prefer gloves that have an airlock with the point up the arm being a drawstring one:

Bad image (first I can find on Google Images).

But this way you put on the glove... pull the drawstring and it cocoons your wrist and creates an area that allows the sleeve to still have movement whilst acting as a air pocket prior to the one that holds your hand.

This all assumes you're wearing a cycling jacket or something with tight sleeves.

How about...

The standard five finger glove design as above, but with a fold over stretch mitten section (soft shell?). Which you can then pull over your fingers for added warmth. Leaving a finger free for gears if need be.
This sort of thing (but not poo)

Unfortunately there are no stocks of this model left as they didn't order more until the redesign...they have other models available which use the same elements etc but are bulkier.
The website is here and should have dealers i think.

The wrists are pretty long on them...i never have a gap with the jacket not over them.

I have their thermal socks too which have been really good for the price.

The wrists are pretty long on them...i never have a gap with the jacket not over them.

I'm a long-armed monkey... my jackets barely touch my wrists so I need gloves that really won't let that bit be exposed (feels like being cut by a blade made of ice by the end of a ride). I'd need something longer and that would guarantee no gap.

I was going to suggest a longer outer wrist to protect the elasticated cuff from rain anyway so the drawstring on the end would be useful.

@VB
They are the same as my Snowboard gloves and i move my arms and flex my body a lot more than cycling and they never let the cold air/snow in.

but then it comes to layers, I keep a thin thermal underneath, the two layers on the top, one water resistant long sleeve and warm and a top level water proof. the airlock on the glove sits on the water resistant layer (which is the coat inner)

my Pearl top has these nice little touch with the extended sleeve and thumb hole, keeps it snug

...i just found it refreshing to deal with someone who is genuinly interested in improving his products.
The current model sold out every pair way before the end of the season, so he doesn't really NEED to change them, he just feels they could be better.
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Amen to that^

somebody up there^ mentioned palm padding. I don;t know whether you felt it relevant scott, having used them, but as you say all people are different.

I don;t know if you got any nerve-associated numbness from these gloves, but I would recommend careful palm/heel padding design, in all cycle gloves, that allow for the nerves below the centre of the palm just near the wrist, by perhaps a clear unpressured channel in between pad on the lover part of the thumb, and opposite pad/heel area from the wrist to the little finger. Make sense? The physio on JackT's resonance podcast mentions this area in the recent show about wellbeing for cyclists. If the glove doen't allow for this area well, ask them to have a think about it. Numb finger syndrome, obviously exascerbated by poor fit or handlebar coice, nonetheless can easily set in for most of us if the paddding design is wrong. It's, apparently, all about nerves. The physio guy interviewed posted an offer for consultations on here, could be helpful.

what is ecological impact going to be if we all indulge ourselves with battery operated gloves and such like? sounds like a waste of energy.

Good idea. I'll take the car instead.