Foffa Bikes

Just noticed they're still referred to as 'bespoke' on the website. I presume the tailoring analogy has already been made? Surely even made to measure would be pushing it a bit...
I see from the promo video they're also perfect for 'slaining around the place when they break down..
Yellow and black models could be vastly improved by all black components, black chainset and rims with silver everything else looks poorly thought out....

First one I ever saw in the wild was baby blue and being 'slained along the street by a dude wearing 3/4 length trousers and flipflops.

True story.

but we have on purpose sticked to threaded

sticked

I think you should have sticked to using spellcheck for your response.

Really want to talk about my mates og Foffa that he bought years back. But seeing as they're no longer relevant I won't. Especially as last time I mentioned it Danni sent a rude/aggressive pm... unless it was the dodgy mechanic using his account on here in which case Danni was blameless on that front.
Needless to say things broke, regularly.

In his defense, the nexus Urbanturd looks like a pretty decent buy if you're into that sorta thing and don't want a pompetine. Once the weird chainguard thing and saddle have been binned obvs. Risers, real pedals, no Foffa logo and a stripped slr and people on here would love it.

sticked

I think you should have sticked to using spellcheck for your response.

Wouldn't have helped and compared to the rest of everything he does would be fine even if it wasn't (archaically) correct. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sticked

He seems to be doing fine despite this thread. If we take the optimistic story below as read, it seems odd that he gives two shits what anyone says on here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/festival-of-business/10776977/Vintage-bike-maker-pedals-his-wares-in-the-City.html

@william1984,Good to see Dani Foffa doing so well selling to Blackrock Investments,Topman and the Morgan motor company.50 frames to Morgan saved him from selling them in his closing down sale.wonder how many bikes Topman and Blackrock bought,Im surprised he hasnt had a WIN a Foffa bike competition lately.

He seems to be doing fine despite this thread. If we take the optimistic story below as read, it seems odd that he gives two shits what anyone says on here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/festival-of-business/10776977/Vintage-bike-maker-pedals-his-wares-in-the-City.html

Personally I find it utterly astonishing that an organisation like Morgan, who have prided themselves for many generations on beautiful craftsmanship would be willing to associate themselves with a product like Foffa.

I am well aware that Ahead won't need to be adjusted as often¹, but we have on purpose sticked to threaded (while most other brands go for thread less these days, which actually has a lower cost price²) to offer more adjustability on the stem height³ and give that retro look

1. A good headset properly installed won't need to be adjusted often, whether it's AHead or threaded. I have a Tange Levin Alloy on my hack bike which was installed at the Kuwahara factory in Japan 28 years ago, and it hasn't been touched by a spanner since. The C-Record installed by Brian Rourke on my Lo-Pro has only done 20 years without attention so far, so the jury is out on that one :-) If you're having to adjust the headsets on your builds, it's only because they are shit components installed badly.
   
2. If that were true, BSOs would have threadless headsets. They don't.
   
3. Not really true, since a 50mm stack of spacers and a 100mm×17° flip flop stem will give a 104mm adjustment range, with just 8mm in the middle which can't be achieved at the crossover. Of course, it's easy and cheap (for you) to replace the stem with a different length and angle to widen the range of possible fit points, and I'm sure you already offer this service even with your cheap and nasty quill stems at no cost to the customer, since you are a bespoke supplier.
   

YAWN.

You're all jealous.

1. A good headset properly installed won't need to be adjusted often, whether it's AHead or threaded. I have a Tange Levin Alloy on my hack bike which was installed at the Kuwahara factory in Japan 28 years ago, and it hasn't been touched by a spanner since. The C-Record installed by Brian Rourke on my Lo-Pro has only done 20 years without attention so far, so the jury is out on that one :-) If you're having to adjust the headsets on your builds, it's only because they are shit components installed badly.
   
2. If that were true, BSOs would have threadless headsets. They don't.
   
3. Not really true, since a 50mm stack of spacers and a 100mm×17° flip flop stem will give a 104mm adjustment range, with just 8mm in the middle which can't be achieved at the crossover. Of course, it's easy and cheap (for you) to replace the stem with a different length and angle to widen the range of possible fit points, and I'm sure you already offer this service even with your cheap and nasty quill stems at no cost to the customer, since you are a bespoke supplier.
   

And here endeth the lesson.

Many thanks Tester.

Wouldn't have helped and compared to the rest of everything he does would be fine even if it wasn't (archaically) correct. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sticked

Don't call the fella out when he's not communicating in his first language.

How's YOUR Italian?

YAWN.

You're all jealous.

Don't call the fella out when he's not communicating in his first language.

How's YOUR Italian?

your
you are

And Chris Borneo, I appreciate you taking your time to justify the price difference between the Charge and the Foffa, while some of the things you said might sound sensible, unfortunately I am not sure why you would say some of the other things, since you wouldn't be in a position to be able to state them:

• How would you have checked the welding of our frame sets if our bikes haven't arrived in the UK yet?
  
• How would you know whether they are not that light if you wouldn't have had the chance to pick one up and be able to tell?
  
  
  

I was comparing the bikes you sell through wiggle to the current Charge Plug. Thought those were the bikes people were discussing.

Have you ever taken the time to properly compare them yourself? From some of your comments, I wonder if you've ever even given one of your own bikes a thorough inspection or whether you just make all your comments based on specs in catalogues and samples?

whether you just make all your comments based on specs in catalogues and samples?

But you don't understand, Foffas are bespoke, so showroom samples are just an example of what the final customer bike can be like :-)

They're anything but bespoke.

They are so "bespoke" I bet Dani Foffa has got a Butler to take the handbuilt, bespoke and customised bike out of the box and put the "FOFFA" sticker on it or are they shipped from Cambodia with said Bespoke sticker already attached.Has FOFFA bespoked into a BSO box shifter.The plot thickens

As long as he's paying everyone involved in the process a decent living wage then it matters not where they're assembled.
But yes, definitely now just a box shifter like Apollo, Trax or whatever other bso you care to mention. The word 'bespoke' could at least nearly have been applied to the silly money road bikes that no-one ever bought...

Hasnt the bespoke thing been done to death already? jeez.

@william1984,yea it has but i just like shooting myself in the foot

this thread brings out the dickhead in most people who post in it. Fucking get over yourselves and leave it be

jeez.

FFS this thread is tedious enough already without that prick getting involved.

haha!

He seems to be doing fine despite this thread. If we take the optimistic story below as read, it seems odd that he gives two shits what anyone says on here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/festival-of-business/10776977/Vintage-bike-maker-pedals-his-wares-in-the-City.html
"The Italian entrepreneur is selling classic push bikes in bulk to companies such as Blackrock Investments, the retailer TopMan and automotive manufacturer Morgan."

Considering what he started with and where he is now, I'd say that he's done pretty well for himself.

The article does underline what his bikes are for and some of the hostility on here: they are bikes for non-cyclists and built to their budget and expectations.

The BSO sweet fixeh is the new BSO MTB and will either a) be ridden, unmaintained, into the ground or b) left to languish in the back of the garage.

Punkture,i would never be so rude by calling you a dickhead and youve got a very bike.peace and love