Foffa Bikes

RPM has an open invitation to help them create a new model. From what little I know about him he also has masses of experience in cycling as well as high standards and could probably do a very fine job of guiding them with a new design should he wish to.

Also to those of you slagging off what was posted as a 'concept' bike in 'very early stages of design'. You also have an open invitation to help them create something great. That's a pretty generous offer especially for those of you who have real experience in bicycle design and engineering. I would have thought that would be a really attractive offer. If I had those skills I'd be on it like a shot. I mean imagine a bike you helped inspire rolling off the production line before rolling around London.

Then of course there are the sad saps who know nothing about design or engineering but are more than happy to nit-pick regardless. The Hyacinth Bucket's of the cycling world for whom nothing will ever be good enough. You have my pity :)

Sorry, what's the very attractive offer? To help Dani Foffa turn his half arsed concept bike into something good so he can stick his name all over it and sell it for a profit? Excuse me if I'm not at the front of the que.

No doubt Dani's gone and done what a lot of us don't have the time, money, dedication, balls, etc to do and started his own bike company but the last two concepts he has come out with are shit.

Yeah how on earth is that a generous offer. If I design shit I want a cut of the profit.

By the way I could use somebody to do my laundry once a week for free. So if you have laundry skills jump on this really attractive and generous offer of mine before someone else does. Think of how awesome it would be when I walk around in clothes that you washed!

So you're both writing it off without even knowing the exact details of what Danni is offering. How very negative of you, well done. If you had any genuine skills in designing or engineering bikes then perhaps it would be a good idea to contact him and talk to the man himself (as you have been invited to do) instead of making up your own minds on an internet forum without knowing all the facts and coming across as whining bedwetters :)

But to be honest if it was me running the business and reading the kind of negative attitude you're displaying here I'd be so tempted to tell you both to piss off in the nicest possible way. Perhaps Danni has more patience, he's certainly displayed a fair amount on this thread already.

It would be better if Foffa were to simply copy a successful frame design. Yes, not as innovative but copying a reliable geometry is more likely to revive his reputation and help people forget about the early days, maybe then he can move onto more personal designs.

To all you NON sad saps and NON acolytes on here,i had a dream the other night that dani foffa's arse was a lemon and all the NON sad saps and acolytes were sucking it.that concept bike looks like it was knocked up in 5 minutes with MS paint or a box of crayons

To all you NON sad saps and NON acolytes on here,i had a dream the other night that dani foffa's arse was a lemon and all the NON sad saps and acolytes were sucking it.that concept bike looks like it was knocked up in 5 minutes with MS paint or a box of crayons

reculver, I genuinely don't care that much whether Foffa bikes is successful or not simply because I have nothing invested in the business. However, I do applaud them for having the guts to have a go and try (particularly in the current economic climate) and wish them the best of luck with that. I really don't understand why so many of you are so bitter and twisted up about this venture. It's pretty pathetic and shows you in a really poor light.

Don't you understand that behaving this way doesn't make you look funny or clever or discerning? It just makes you look a bit cheap and bitter, which is a pity.

Why don't you design something better? I take it you know a fair bit about bicycle design and engineering?

Why don't you design something better?

Because I'm not a frame designer.

And so Dani isn't one either.

yea mechanical engineerng at tech level between 1977 and 1982

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how to build a business,first you gotta jump on the hipster fixie bandwagon though

1.get 2 obnoxious clowns to build dangerous bikes (dosent matter that dani is no longer associated with them.they built the BSO's and dani sold them to jolly joe public)
2.get another clown to sell them(mugs and money are easily parted)
3.post an entire page of overpriced gas barrel frames on LFGSS (and try to justify the prices)
4.post pictures of concept bikes (that are truly dreadful)
5.ask for design and feedback help on here cos in reality dani hasnt got a clue

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good,i look better in poor light,so she tells me.cheap and bitter yes when its warranted.what really i like is people who stick labels on people just because theyve got different opinions.

RPM has an open invitation to help them create a new model. From what little I know about him he also has masses of experience in cycling as well as high standards and could probably do a very fine job of guiding them with a new design should he wish to.

Also to those of you slagging off what was posted as a 'concept' bike in 'very early stages of design'. You also have an open invitation to help them create something great. That's a pretty generous offer especially for those of you who have real experience in bicycle design and engineering. I would have thought that would be a really attractive offer. If I had those skills I'd be on it like a shot. I mean imagine a bike you helped inspire rolling off the production line before rolling around London.

Then of course there are the sad saps who know nothing about design or engineering but are more than happy to nit-pick regardless. The Hyacinth Bucket's of the cycling world for whom nothing will ever be good enough. You have my pity :)

Well, I know very little about bicycle design and/or engineering so in your book I guess I'm one of the "sad saps".

If throwing personal insults around makes you feel big and happy then have at it. Please keep the pity to yourself though because I really don't need it.

reculver, I genuinely don't care that much whether Foffa bikes is successful or not simply because I have nothing invested in the business. However, I do applaud them for having the guts to have a go and try (particularly in the current economic climate) and wish them the best of luck with that. I really don't understand why so many of you are so bitter and twisted up about this venture. It's pretty pathetic and shows you in a really poor light.

Don't you understand that behaving this way doesn't make you look funny or clever or discerning? It just makes you look a bit cheap and bitter, which is a pity.

Why don't you design something better? I take it you know a fair bit about bicycle design and engineering?

If you ask me, recently, most of the "bitter and twisted" in this thread is coming from you, in your reaction to people expressing their opinions. Most of the people who have commented on the last few bikes have been sort of "it's a bit shit looking, I'd buy elsewhere". Dunno who you think is getting all het up about it.

Why don't you design something better?

Because I/we aren't bicycle designers and we aren't being paid as such, we people on an internet forum exercising our right to voice our fashion and aesthetic based/non technical/nit picking opinions.

If Foffa wants a proper opinion of his products he should pay people who have the relevant skills to do that job. Similarly if he wants to make a frame he should hire someone with the relevant skills knowledge and understanding of both technical and aesthetic aspects of cycle design because he clearly lacks most of these.

But to be honest if it was me running the business and reading the kind of negative attitude you're displaying here I'd be so tempted to tell you both to piss off in the nicest possible way. Perhaps Danni has more patience, he's certainly displayed a fair amount on this thread already.

I don't know mister Foffa but him not telling us to piss off might have more to do with common sense than patience.
You seem to get awfully worked up over this. Mister Foffa is free to conjure up wacky frame designs and it's entirely up to him how much he wants to sell them for, but we are free to form ouw own opinions and voice them if we see fit, and to refuse offers no matter how generous they are, without having to answer to the likes of you.
You keep accusing us of having no knowledge of design and engineering (I'm puzzled as to what it is that makes you able to tell by the way) which is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black because according to yourself, you don't know the first thing about those things yourself. I'm curious to know how much time you think went into research and development of the Foffa prototype and what degree of design and engineering skill are required to come up with an image like that. And also, why is it that our supposedly uneducated opinion isn't valid, yet your own equally uneducated opinion is? Your entire demeanor in this topic doesn't hold water.

Feel free to respond to this but try to refrain from profanity and childish insults this time around.

yea mechanical engineerng at tech level between 1977 and 1982

please feel free to add to this list

how to build a business,first you gotta jump on the hipster fixie bandwagon though

1.get 2 obnoxious clowns to build dangerous bikes (dosent matter that dani is no longer associated with them.they built the BSO's and dani sold them to jolly joe public)
2.get another clown to sell them(mugs and money are easily parted)
3.post an entire page of overpriced gas barrel frames on LFGSS (and try to justify the prices)
4.post pictures of concept bikes (that are truly dreadful)
5.ask for design and feedback help on here cos in reality dani hasnt got a clue

Great then your opinion on these things in terms of design carries weight. However, with regard to points 1 to 3 that was the past he held held his hands up said 'yes I got it wrong' and did his level best to change things things which most people realise he's now done. People make mistakes, that's normal, move one.

Point 4, if it's so dreadful then tell him why, with your experience your advice would be valuable. I doubt he's asking for someone to design a free bike for him as that would be daft, there has to be something in it for whoever genuinely helps, any good business man knows that nothing comes for free. Point 5, why not ask for help/feedback? Isn't this how any of us learn, whether it's bike design or anything else for that matter?

As to your other post I said the way you respond and others respond so negatively makes you 'look' cheap and bitter not that you are, there's a big difference. And no personal insults are intended.

Well, I know very little about bicycle design and/or engineering so in your book I guess I'm one of the "sad saps".

If throwing personal insults around makes you feel big and happy then have at it. Please keep the pity to yourself though because I really don't need it.

If you ask me, recently, most of the "bitter and twisted" in this thread is coming from you, in your reaction to people expressing their opinions. Most of the people who have commented on the last few bikes have been sort of "it's a bit shit looking, I'd buy elsewhere". Dunno who you think is getting all het up about it.

Because I/we aren't bicycle designers and we aren't being paid as such, we people on an internet forum exercising our right to voice our fashion and aesthetic based/non technical/nit picking opinions.

If Foffa wants a proper opinion of his products he should pay people who have the relevant skills to do that job. Similarly if he wants to make a frame he should hire someone with the relevant skills knowledge and understanding of both technical and aesthetic aspects of cycle design because he clearly lacks most of these.

It makes your opinion on whether or not something is a good design beyond aesthetics (which anyone can have an opinion on) less relevant. If you want to label yourself a sad sap that's up to you. I said there were some out there not that you specifically are, you're choosing to wear the hat.

I'm not het up at all. I just find it a shame that so many aren't prepared to give the guy a chance. And the feedback hasn't been 'it's a bit shit looking I'd buy elsewhere' as you suggest, if you have another look you'll see it's a fair bit nastier than that. Especially if you try putting yourself in DF's shoes and imagine it's directed at you.

I imagine he does pay people (in one way or another) to help him design his bikes. I find it hard to imagine that he gets everything for free, business doesn't work like that. And if he doesn't invest in his business then more fool him. But how can any of us say for sure when we don't actually know the facts. So much of the mud that's being thrown is based on purely subjective opinion.

so its its ok to infer im cheap and bitter,my opinion is pretty pathetic and shows me in really poor light.the next time you see a policeman,walk up to him and say "i think your a cunt" dont call him a "cunt" cos your get arrested.im sure he will see the funny side of it though

Vanuden,i dont know you and you dont know me,weve both got our own opinions.which we are entitled to with this being a forum.if you dont like what i post please hit the ignore button.

I don't know mister Foffa but him not telling us to piss off might have more to do with common sense than patience.
You seem to get awfully worked up over this. Mister Foffa is free to conjure up wacky frame designs and it's entirely up to him how much he wants to sell them for, but we are free to form ouw own opinions and voice them if we see fit, and to refuse offers no matter how generous they are, without having to answer to the likes of you.
You keep accusing us of having no knowledge of design and engineering (I'm puzzled as to what it is that makes you able to tell by the way) which is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black because according to yourself, you don't know the first thing about those things yourself. I'm curious to know how much time you think went into research and development of the Foffa prototype and what degree of design and engineering skill are required to come up with an image like that. And also, why is it that our supposedly uneducated opinion isn't valid, yet your own equally uneducated opinion is? Your entire demeanor in this topic doesn't hold water.

Feel free to respond to this but try to refrain from profanity and childish insults this time around.

This is funny ^ :)

I can assure you the only thing I'm mildly irritated about (worked up is too strong) is that people won't give the guy a chance after he's done his best to make amends.

I'm not accusing people of having no skills in design or engineering, I'm asking the question how many do and suggesting that if you don't then your opinion probably isn't that important. Beyond of course whether or not you think it looks nice. At no point have I offered anything other than a personal view on aesthetics for 1 of his bikes. I haven't said anything at all about what I think about the concept bike.

I've no idea how much time went into research and development but then neither have you. At no point have I done anything other than voice an opinion, one that doesn't like the overly negative opinion that it's in response to.

Profanity? Do you mean comments like 'sad sap' or 'Hyacinth Bucket' if so then stop being so over sensitive and silly :)

Anyway, you're trying to make this personal and it's not. My point is simply that he made mistakes, he listened to feedback and tried to remedy them. He deserves being given a chance. He's brave enough (and perhaps foolish enough considering the way some of you behave) to show some concept designs here and ask for 'constructive criticism' and the majority of what he gets back is stuff like 'it's shit' or 'what a load of wank'. It's this sort of approach that lets the forum down.

so its its ok to infer im cheap and bitter,my opinion is pretty pathetic and shows me in really poor light.the next time you see a policeman,walk up to him and say "i think your a cunt" dont call him a "cunt" cos your get arrested.im sure he will see the funny side of it though

Vanuden,i dont know you and you dont know me,weve both got our own opinions.which we are entitled to with this being a forum.if you dont like what i post please hit the ignore button.

I don't have anyone on ignore nor would I. And yes there is a big difference between saying 'you are a cunt' and 'you're behaving like a cunt'. If you want to get all upset about it then that's entirely up to you :)

im not upset about it at all.its not my fault i think your a cunt,you managed that all yourself ;-)

im not upset about it at all.its not my fault i think your a cunt,you managed that all yourself ;-)

Ha! I don't have a problem with that. But seriously if you have skills in bike design and engineering rather than just slag off what DF is doing why not give him some constructive criticism? I doubt he's looking for free advice (anyone knows there's no such thing as a free lunch) and if he is then he can hardly be surprised if people decline to give him any help. Anyway, it's a thought.

And it's 'you're' ;)

My only advice to Mr dani Foffa esquire is to buy one of these

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delivery is free

£449.99 versus £505 what nice bloke i am just saved him £55

that's a very good point...

..please don't post any more links to pompinos I have no space for one and just got a serious craving to start speccing one on the website, a sort of fixed urbanassault/cx/play bike...

malaysian you can pick nmix for £219

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FTOOPOMIX/on-one-pompino-fix-n-mix-frameset-bundle

Yeah so he got it wrong with the 2 muppets he was working with originally and has changed his ways and for that I applaude him, as I feel do many on the forum. I honestly don't think that what happened way back then in days of yore has much influence on peoples current opinions of Foffa.

However, it's clear that his finger is still a mile off the pulse of the fixed gear scene as if this were not the case then towny high pro and webby lo pro would never have made it past a scribble on a sketch pad.

There are a number of small, local businesses either manufacturing their own product or sourcing it from overseas - in other words doing what Foffa currently do and want to do in the future it seems - and making a much better job of it because they are sticking to traditional designs and executing these with quality and style.

If you think it's really about a hatred of Foffa then imagine either towny high pro or webby lo pro had shown up on the Cinelli or Bob Jackson site. They would be getting just as much flack, maybe even more because people would expect better from an established brand.

it's clear that his finger is still a mile off the pulse of the fixed gear scene

Oh dear.

Its just bikes guys.