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Only after we've had a further 40 pages of debate on whether your executive summary is a fair reflection of the views of the committee. And as a Foffa sponsored rider, we're hardly going to accept your version, are** we?**
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**Who is this 'we'? Speak for yourself. I accept Wicksie's word, for one.
Just accept the facts:
1: LFGSS doesn't owe Dani Foffa anything. If he has cause for action, I'm sure the site admin will be responsive to legitimate comments from Foffa's lawyers, but I don't recall anything here which wouldn't be covered by the defence of fair comment.***You know, if you really tried you could probably still squeeze a little more pomposity out of your posts.
Lawyers, corruption, George Bush, vested interests. Pah. ***.
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Fuck me, is this thread still going?
20 pages of wind & piss
Exactly.
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Hi all,
It seems that a few forum followers are upset that the Foffa Thread has been moved to a private thread. This was requested after it was discovered that not all of our customers read the long thread and get the wrong impression of what was going on. As we have taken on board what has been said on the forum and acted on some of the negative aspects, we would hope we deserve a second chance. So to have a summary of the good points and bad points posted*publicly*would keep it fair for all involved. I dare say that will spark comments again but if some one has a better suggestion please come forward directly with that.
It still seems a shame that forum users don't come forward to us when throwing accusations around that do actually effect the lives of others. Foffa Bikes is a new business trying to listen to its customers and riders alike in London and beyond. We are open to feedback but not slander or misinformed information that may effect the business.
We have clearly stated that the dealings with Ian McPherson is no longer in place. In fact Ian's behaviour and the feedback from forum users resulted in Foffa Bikes deciding to part ways with him.
As everyone is aware companies like us often provide their products to people to try out & use to give feedback on the design & feel of the item. Foffa Bikes has provided Joni (Wicksie) with a bike to be used for her polo playing so that she can give us feedback on the product first hand. That same offer goes to HarryMajor and Velolibre to try the Foffa Prima for themselves before making judgements on a product they have never tried. Simply get in touch and I am sure we can also provide you with a bike to try so that if you want to be constructive you can give us feedback to make it better.
Foffa Bikes is actually is trying to listen to its customers and follow up on suggestions of providing a better product for better prices without churning out chinese rubbish like the cheaper brands on the market, etc. We are also aware that not everyone can afford the services of shops like 14 bike co.*
For those of you that think you can do a better job than we are doing then please come to the shop and join our team as I am sure we would all love to provide a better product whilst at the same time make some money to pay the rent etc.
We are sorry to hear that some of you are not happy with you what you do. But at least give someone a chance to provide a service where we do actually listen to feedback etc.
We will be having another open night with more drinks, dj, etc. after the next critical mass and invite those of you that have not yet come to the shop to swing by and say hello.*
Cheers,
dani
Dearest Dani,
I appreciate the offer to try your bicycles, but I have no interest in doing so. You'll notice I haven't commented once on your buisness or your frames. The frames are probably built by Maxway, and if so are probably awsomely constructed. But thats neither here nor there. If they aren't and they are made in Taiwan you probably pay too much for them, and the quality could be very hit and miss.
I am not arguing about your buisness's merrits. I have kept my informed opinion private. Your post quoted above changes that.
What I am arguing about is the censorship of the content in this thread. As I have maintained from the outset we don't owe you a living, we don't owe you our silence, and you can't fucking well buy it from us by offering everyone who you think disagrees with you a frame.
You neither deserve nor don't deserve a second chance, and we (the forum) have no right or authority to offer or refuse it you. Public information should remain public, publicly generated content should remain in the public realm. The forum has no responsibility to protect your buisness interests, to offer you salvation, or conversley to ask for you to be shot.
Furthermore I think you should be ashamed for putting Wicksie in a position where she has to defend your buisness and where she has to take on an untenable position that leaves here reputation tarnished and character questioned. I think its pathetic you didn't try and do things properly through VB, and even more pathetic that you want to censor your past and peoples opinions on your bikes and shop history.
I work for BLB, I know what your buisness practice is like, so I've tried to stay out of the discussion about the merrits of your buisness and bikes, as its not fair or professional. But since we are no longer in a publicaly accessible thread, I should say that from what you said above in that quote that you are a snake, and a fool. And yes, those are personal accusations. I'd rather shovel shit then come work for you, and I genuinely hope your buisness fails.
There, no holes barred.
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There, no holes barred.
I think you mean "No holds barred", and expression meant to convey an all-in style of wrestling. On the other hand, if you're setting out to butt-fuck Dani's business career, as you were.
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I think you mean "No holds barred", and expression meant to convey an all-in style of wrestling.
No holes barred conveys a style of all in wrestling to me too! :)
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Only after we've had a further 40 pages of debate on whether your executive summary is a fair reflection of the views of the committee. And as a Foffa sponsored rider, we're hardly going to accept your version, are we?
Just accept the facts:
1: LFGSS doesn't owe Dani Foffa anything. If he has cause for action, I'm sure the site admin will be responsive to legitimate comments from Foffa's lawyers, but I don't recall anything here which wouldn't be covered by the defence of fair comment.
2: LFGSS doesn't rule the world, it's a small forum serving a niche in a minority pastime. Google "x sucks" (e.g. Trek) and you'll find much more vitriolic criticism of every brand of product and every person of note, yet those brands survive and thrive.
3: You have already done enough damage to your credibility, further censorship will only make things worse.
If people can't be arsed to read the whole thread, more fool them, but since all the early vitriol was about the "restored" "vintage" bikes, I don't see any need to change anything. All shop conversions will be overpriced and/or poor quality compared with what any noob with access to the wisdom of LFGSS could do at home. The reception of the Foffa house-brand frames has been reasonably positive, based on the paper specs issued thus far, and if they turn out to be any good in the flesh I'd expect them to start turning up in current projects, where prospective buyers will be able to get a far more informed assessment of current Foffa product than this thread provides.