BMW's first fixed freestyle frameset

looks like a mountainbike with the wrong size wheels on.

I've always been curious but why don't ppl use old school MTBs for fixed tricks?

THB I don't know anything about doing fixed tricks, but I'd have thought a tough frame + low tt, high BB, that is cheap to get hold of would be perfect.

MTB's have pretty slack angles. meant to ride over shit. really woun't feel all that snappy.

Because it was stolen.

ten four buddy.

shitty weak.

That was Odge's ride, innit?

I don't usually have alot of time for the people who can't understand why someone would want to trick a 700c but this is a good point for all those haters! If you don't understand why, keep it to yourself. (not aimed at jersey)

Totally agree with what Jersey said I just think that If you want a 'trick specific' bike then BMX is better for the reasons I listed above. £800 odd seems like a lot for a bike to just hack around on and do the odd tricks here and there.

That was Odge's ride, innit?

correct.

I've always been curious but why don't ppl use old school MTBs for fixed tricks?

THB I don't know anything about doing fixed tricks, but I'd have thought a tough frame + low tt, high BB, that is cheap to get hold of would be perfect.

What dropouts do they usually have, unless you are talking very old school?

Alternatively could just get a modern singlespeed MTB frame and put some low AC height forks on which steepens up all the angles as most frames are designed around a 100mm ish travel sus fork.
End up with a bike that is still rideable over longer distances (unlike a BMX) and more suited to tricks/pissing about.

I used a Santa Cruz Chameleon setup like that a few years back and it was great fun.

I disagree with the whole concept, but it's a nice frame for the people who like that sort of thing. What's the rear tyre out of interest? Looks like a rip-off of Animal's GLH tread pattern.

Looks quite nice.
Is there a 'trick specific' reason the drive train is on the left?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fcHQnLqdtEE/SwMtaPi5u4I/AAAAAAAAAGE/Dxa0aN9p3UQ/s1600/cs.jpg

My guess would be:

It's a follow on from LSD on BMX bikes. Left Side Drive was developed because people were fucking up their drivetrains when doing "mad-tech" grinds on their right pegs. By moving the drivetrain to the other side of the bike you remove it from potential damage. As soon as smaller gearing became popular (25-9 and 35-10 rather than 44-16, 39-14, and 36-13), LSD became a bit obsolete because everything was so small it didn't get in the way.

On fixed trick bikes there's no pegs so popular grinds are pedal grinds, but with the bigger gearing of a fixed setup compared to BMX, it has come full circle and the problem of hitting the drivetrain when grinding has re-surfaced. Again, to cure this, simply move drivetrain to the other side and out of harm's way.

So next step should be the development of hub to take 10 or 11 tooth fixed cog (would need to bolt on over the bearings somehow, similar way to the 9T BMX driver), then a 25t front chainring could be used.
Probably not worth it though as no one will be interested in "700cmx" by next year!

you can get it with a mid BB

not wanting to sound stupid, but what is one of those?

Answer.

Nice isn't it.....i'm contemplating one, and you can get it with a mid BB, HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN SAYING THEY SHOULD MAKE A FIXED GEAR FREESTYLE FRAME WITH A MID BB FOR!

Now 14 and Brooklyn are both doing one ;)

[st]What is a MID bb, please? Edumacation required.[/st]

gaaaah must read thread fully

Skully, don't make me slap you.

Ha well I won't bee seeing you tomorrow, so you don't have to.

There's nothing stopping me from coming to the start of the ride to slap you then heading on to the other stuff I need to do.

Also, keep aware at easts. A ninja slap may your way come.

Also I haz long memory device.

the left side drive is just a thing depending on which side you grind on, for example, i am left foot forward and on my bmx i would peg grind on left, pedal grind on right and i would snap chains and broke the bolt holding my chain ring on from smacking it on concrete.

Answer.

ha ha, havnt seen that old chestnut for a while.

it's fast for a bike that can also handle stair sets and the like.

stair sets?

are 700c wheels really going to be as strong as MTB 26" or 24"? do you get the same roomy standover? I very much doubt it.

Slight difference between riding backwards in a circle or doing a trackstand, which is what fixie tricks represent, and maybe a handful (worldwide) of riders who may be able to land something with any large amount of air. Do you really think a bike like this will take prolonged abuse like that from average riders? Having ridden a bit of street in the past, I have my reservations, having bent cranks, snapped axles and seen my mates all doing the same (on mtb and bmx).

I know I'll just upset some people and be accused of "hating on"a "scene" I "don't understand", BUT I'm not having a pop or dismissing it, just interested if there's any substance to the "omg I've gotta have it" hype that accompanies things like this.

stair sets?

are 700c wheels really going to be as strong as MTB 26" or 24"? do you get the same roomy standover? I very much doubt it.

Slight difference between riding backwards in a circle or doing a trackstand, which is what fixie tricks represent, and maybe a handful (worldwide) of riders who may be able to land something with any large amount of air. Do you really think a bike like this will take prolonged abuse like that from average riders? Having ridden a bit of street in the past, I have my reservations, having bent cranks, snapped axles and seen my mates all doing the same (on mtb and bmx).

I know I'll just upset some people and be accused of "hating on"a "scene" I "don't understand", BUT I'm not having a pop or dismissing it, just interested if there's any substance to the "omg I've gotta have it" hype that accompanies things like this.

Without trying to sound condescending, I think you might be a little bit out of touch with what people are doing on fixed street/freestyle bikes these days.
I wouldn't call myself an amazing rider, but I was dishing out plenty of abuse to my Volume when I had it, i'm talking reasonable sized stair sets, wallrides, drops/banks a bit of skatepark stuff...and it handled it all just fine (pretty good considering I am not a small guy!), there are also probably a lot more people than you think riding at a similar or higher level.
I would trust Brooklyn to make something even stronger considering the quality of their other bikes, they don't usually put out a product unless they feel they can 100% stand by the claims they make about it.

Brooklyn make strong bikes. The frame will probably last, the components however won't. Polo is not trick riding but it is similarly hard on bikes. Since swapping to a 26inch wheel mountain bike for polo I have broken precisely no parts. I've not even had to true my wheels. This is a stark contrast to playing on a 700c bike, on which I've snapped cranks, trashed wheels quicker than I could build them, and generally made the whole thing feel like a piece of shit that was falling to pieces.

I ride BMX & mountain bikes and I've broken both lots of times. That's frames and components.
The only reason I'd say that this frame will last is precisely because you cannot, under any stretch of the imagination, do tricks as big as on a BMX or a mountain bike.

It is telling that the fixed tricks crowd are swapping to as many BMX parts as possible. It just seems that the components which are most weak are the ones that people are vehemently against changing.

Brooklyn make strong bikes. The frame will probably last, the components however won't. Polo is not trick riding but it is similarly hard on bikes. Since swapping to a 26inch wheel mountain bike for polo I have broken precisely no parts. I've not even had to true my wheels. This is a stark contrast to playing on a 700c bike, on which I've snapped cranks, trashed wheels quicker than I could build them, and generally made the whole thing feel like a piece of shit that was falling to pieces.

I ride BMX & mountain bikes and I've broken both lots of times. That's frames and components.
The only reason I'd say that this frame will last is precisely because you cannot, under any stretch of the imagination, do tricks as big as on a BMX or a mountain bike.

It is telling that the fixed tricks crowd are swapping to as many BMX parts as possible. It just seems that the components which are most weak are the ones that people are vehemently against changing.

Pretty much everything on my old trick bike was bmx/street mtb parts apart from the wheels frame and fork lol.

Without trying to sound condescending, I think you might be a little bit out of touch with what people are doing on fixed street/freestyle bikes these days.
I wouldn't call myself an amazing rider, but I was dishing out plenty of abuse to my Volume when I had it, i'm talking reasonable sized stair sets, wallrides, drops/banks a bit of skatepark stuff...and it handled it all just fine (pretty good considering I am not a small guy!), there are also probably a lot more people than you think riding at a similar or higher level.

surely, though, isn't there a huge weight penalty with 700c wheels built to be as strong as 26" ? loads more rotational weight and something that takes longer to get going, which seems contradictory to the requirements of a street bike?

surely, though, isn't there a huge weight penalty with 700c wheels built to be as strong as 26" ? loads more rotational weight and something that takes longer to get going, which seems contradictory to the requirements of a street bike?

Nah to be honest the weight penalty is felt more in the massive tyres you need to ride so you don't wreck the wheels!
My 48H rigida Sputniks on Goldtecs were not that heavy at all, only weighed a little more than some formulas I had on Deep V's way back.
I think my trick bike was really flipping heavy, could have made it lighter if I wanted to but I went for ultimate strength rather than risk any possibility of breaking stuff.

Think I would just use something along these lines myself

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/LargeImage.aspx?ModelID=33042

Stronger and better fun IMO