Bikejacking on Kingsland Road

Ok fair enough, i'm still gonna hate that stretch whatever. Would you feel comfortable allowing your girl friend walking through alone though?

I'm with Slaytanic on this. That whole stretch of Kingsland is a fucking hell hole. I can't even go into the shit I experienced in 3 years of living in that God Forsaken cess pool. I wouldn't even feel safe driving through there at 100mph in a cop car. Full of cunts and scum bags

I'm with Slaytanic on this. That whole stretch of Kingsland is a fucking hell hole. I can't even go into the shit I experienced in 3 years of living in that God Forsaken cess pool. I wouldn't even feel safe driving through there at 100mph in a cop car. Full of cunts and scum bags

I don't really know what to say to you two apart from if that's *really *how you feel (about an area i've lived happily in and around for for 14 years btw) I would seriously suggest leaving london and quite probably getting some counselling?

I don't really know what to say to you two apart from if that's *really *how you feel (about an area i've lived happily in and around for for 14 years btw) I would seriously suggest leaving london and quite probably some counselling?

+1 i love living in dalston, even if i'm just barely in N16.

Kingsland rd, Dalston = one of my fave strips in London.

Only got punched up once in 2 years living there.

You can eat the house down along there.

nobody who lives there is going to admit it's a crime ridden shit hole are they.
the fact is it's a crime ridden shit hole.
anyone who thinks differently has been watching too many of those kirsty fucknut property programs and ignoring the yellow call for witness signs, the sound of police helicopters and the almost daily threads about theft in the area on this forum.

the main reason it's shit is it's full of desperate hipster wannabee's riding freewheel nobraks

You're missing the point, MrSmyth... Somine does Lamb soup, turkish bread, and a little plate of pickled goodies for 3 quid and its open all bloody night.

+1 i love living in dalston, even if i'm just barely in N16.

To be honest I've actually left the immediate vicinity now but i've no doubt i'll be back at some point. Spent many happy years living there, on the junction of Mare Street and Kingsland rd and three years on "murder mile" itself. Yes there's crime in London, there always was and there always will be. Some bits are poorer and roughter than others. As PJs said sometimes these bits sometimes overlap with the newly gentrified middle class bits and you get some elements of culture clash and class related issues. My ex got "bikejacked" (although at the time it was known as being mugged whilst happening to have been riding a bike) in Hoxton square ten years ago... it wasn't nice but I didn't feel the need to start a massive knee jerk "KILL THE SCUM, RAZE THE NEIGHBOURHOOD TO THE GROUND" rant. These reactions just really depress me.

Where exactly is the Murder Mile?

Where exactly is the Murder Mile?

which one?

nobody who lives there is going to admit it's a crime ridden shit hole are they.
the fact is it's a crime ridden shit hole.
anyone who thinks differently has been watching too many of those kirsty fucknut property programs and ignoring the yellow call for witness signs, the sound of police helicopters and the almost daily threads about theft in the area on this forum.

the main reason it's shit is it's full of desperate hipster wannabee's riding freewheel nobraks

Some truth here but a lot of balls also. Yes there's crime there and yep a lot of it is fixieskidder theft. I wouldn't want to leave my bike on the street there. But I wouldn't like to leave my bike on the street many places in London. And yes a LOT of desperate hipster wannabes have moved in on the last several years... but that does not mean everyone who lives there is a hipster twat, a mugger or indeed a victim.

Most of us are just normal people enjoying living in an affordable, diverse, vibrant but flawed bit of the diverse, vibrant and flawed city that we love.

I don't really know what to say to you two apart from if that's *really *how you feel (about an area i've lived happily in and around for for 14 years btw) I would seriously suggest leaving london and quite probably getting some counselling?

I didn't need counseling. Just moving away from there cured all my problems

Where exactly is the Murder Mile?

Clapton innit

Where exactly is the Murder Mile?

They used to call Upper Clapton Road that after a spate of yardie type gang shootings in the area in the mid 90s.

Where exactly is the Murder Mile?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=upper+clapton&sll=51.541584,-0.059738&sspn=0.022741,0.084543&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Upper+Clapton,+Loughton,+Greater+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.561385,-0.055618&spn=0.022731,0.084543&z=14

why is a 15-year-old Londoner's opinion on 15-year-old Londoners heavily flawed?

You don't know anything about this kid and you shoot him down before he has barely said anything.

you might just learn something here you old codgers. you might not, cos joelovesfixed might be entirely not from in the middle of the yoots dem in their dodgy form, but he may well be.

go on joelovesfixed, i'm all ears, specially the bit about reasoning your way out of situations like this..

Well in, Phil.

Clapton innit

Just off Murder Mile

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Fuck Hackney

I didn't need counseling. Just moving away from there cured all my problems

So I was half right. I have a friend who's the same. Personally I love London and East London in particular having spent my whole adult live here. I am ready to acknowledge it's flaws but I do prickle when people get knee-jerk judgemental about it. I'm not ready to leave and don't anticipate being so for a good long while.

Having said that I do miss Brick Lane, Broadway Market and Dalston being hipster twat free though. Hey ho, that's gentrification I suppose, a process of which I am fully aware I am a part.

You're missing the point, MrSmyth... Somine does Lamb soup, turkish bread, and a little plate of pickled goodies for 3 quid and its open all bloody night.

do you deliver? that's a long way for me to go for a bit of spicy lamb

Ah, thanks dudes... I know the stretch now.

To be honest, I've felt less safe in bits of Clapton and Homerton than in Dalston.

do you deliver? that's a long way for me to go for a bit of spicy lamb

Surely you could ride down from yours MrSmyth.... the canal is lovely in the evenings and takes you right there.

Fair enough. That area did not work out for me. I was born in London and have lived here for 37 years. Mainly North london, Finchley and Islington, Bermondsey, Surrey Quays, Elephant and Castle. Of those 37 years I had only experienced one robbery and one burglary until I moved to Kingsland. But in 3 years living there I had - and these are all seperate incidents

My bike stolen from outside my flat ( from the side alley which was locked with a 10 foot steel gate ) , bike was bolted with 2 locks to something.
Our flat broken into whilst we were asleep upstairs. They took everything they could from the first floor.
Mugged in my own alleyway as I had the keys in my hand. They smashed my face into the wall
Battered by 3 blokes ending up in hospital with a dislocated shoulder. My wife tried to helop and got a black eye for her troubles. Again on my doorstep
My wife was sexually assaulted on Kingsland by some nutter who should clearly have been in a hospital
My wife had a gang of hoodies chase here throwing eggs and other crap at her
My wife was spat at by some maniac who I had to take down in the street as he was deranged and clearly out for blood.

All this violence basically drove me round the twist but was also one of the reasons I decided to get really fit so I couls be ready for them. However. The discloated shoulder incident was the final straw which forced me away

So sorrt if I hate this area. But just writting this brings back all the horrific memories

MrSmyth - by that logic, if i had moved to a posh part of west london, i would never want to return right?

saying that, when i first moved here from Toronto i lived in dalston, and left the hood after about a year to live in chiswick, strand on the green. lovely place chiswick, but dull as fuck, nothing is open after 10pm, and it's full of rich assholes!

i moved back to dalston quickly after moving out of it. it's not a bad place to live.

try bedstuyford (which is apparently nice now), east toronto, south LA, etc. most north american ghettos blow this shit out of the water. hackney is fine, surprised so many HTFU warriors would moan and bitch about an impoverished place, which hardly compares to brixton, peckham and loads of other toilets people live in on this forum.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/22/73-gentrification/

Fair enough. That area did not work out for me. I was born in London and have lived here for 37 years. Mainly North london, Finchley and Islington, Bermondsey, Surrey Quays, Elephant and Castle. Of those 37 years I had only experienced one robbery and one burglary until I moved to Kingsland. But in 3 years living there I had - and these are all seperate incidents

My bike stolen from outside my flat ( from the side alley which was locked with a 10 foot steel gate ) , bike was bolted with 2 locks to something.
Our flat broken into whilst we were asleep upstairs. They took everything they could from the first floor.
Mugged in my own alleyway as I had the keys in my hand. They smashed my face into the wall
Battered by 3 blokes ending up in hospital with a dislocated shoulder. My wife tried to helop and got a black eye for her troubles. Again on my doorstep
My wife was sexually assaulted on Kingsland by some nutter who should clearly have been in a hospital
My wife had a gang of hoodies chase here throwing eggs and other crap at her
My wife was spat at by some maniac who I had to take down in the street as he was deranged and clearly out for blood.

All this violence basically drove me round the twist but was also one of the reasons I decided to get really fit so I couls be ready for them. However. The discloated shoulder incident was the final straw which forced me away

So sorrt if I hate this area. But just writting this brings back all the horrific memories

Sorry to hear that dude. In my meagre 14 years here I've also had one burglary (from a flat in just off Lower Clapton Road, I too was there and lost everything but thankfully was unhurt) and one mugging (on Charing Cross road, had nothing so lost nothing and wasn't hurt). That and the aforementioned ex who was mugged from her bike all those years ago in (pre-Nathan Barley) Hoxton Square.

Other than that I've suffered no significant violence, intimidation or any other problems. I've never even lost a bike and i've cycled everywhere the whole time. I've lived all over London but mostly in the Islington/Old Street/Hackney/Dalston area. I'm not blasé about crime. I don't neceessarily expect the worse but there are behaviours I watch out for, areas I don't stray into after dark and I always try and stay aware and take precautions to protect myself and my property. You have to in any big city though don't you? I'm not naive about what goes on, one of my best friends is a criminal solicitor and I hear his first hand stories every other day, murders, rape, beatings... some really horrific stuff.

But you have to bear in mind that these things are comparatively very rare. Fear of crime can be a debilitating and life-altering thing and I'm not going to let it ruin my enjoyment of my chosen home town.

I'll continue being careful but i've no doubt i'll fall victim to some form of theft or other crime at some point in the future. When it inevitably does happen I'll no doubt be be angry and upset at the antisocial scumbags themselves, but hopefully I won't write off an entire neighbourhood, borough or city over it.