Owning your own home

Love your crusade against log burners.
Genuine question - what's the answer if you want some sort of real fire in your living room?

Also, if friends were to buy a BMW SUV how would that effect your feelings towards them? Because I ma really struggling...

“Hey guys, I know smoking looks cool but is bad for your health. How can I smoke without the harmful effects?”

I think bio-ethanol might be the house equivalent of vaping? The right answer is likely just point your furniture at your telly instead.

The more I looked into a wood burner the more I concluded it's a good way to expose oneself to a heavy mix of carcinogenic particles - even with the doors closed the act of refuelling a fire fills the room with particles. Doors open is crazy stuff and worse than being a daily heavy smoker.

My open chimneys are now on the list of tasks to tackle as I'll never use them, but until then a https://www.chimneysheep.co.uk/ is helping out.

Future owners of this house are going to get an opinionated house... electric everything where possible (gas only used for water and radiators but I'll address that in time), no ability to have a log burner, etc... it looks Victorian, it is Victorian, but it's behaving a lot like a more recent build.

what's the answer if you want some sort of real fire in your living room?

Analyse what you really want.

Is it the look of some kind of focus? Go with something visual, be it a video of a fire or a really great picture or sculpture or whatever you want.

Is it a radiant heat source? (Some people just don't feel warm unless they are receiving radiant heat, even if air temp seems fine.) Go with a small but high temp heating thing like a small electric radiator or radiant panel. I know, they ruin the vibe, but I guess you just have to decide what you really need to feel comfy in your own home.

what's the answer if you want some sort of real fire in your living room?

Gas? And if the thought of burning a fossil fuel is abhorrent to you, then why is burning a fresh organic fuel that releases CO2 OK?

A candle?

But like others said, you probably don't need it at all. And if you have a wood burner you'd be advised to not use it for the sake of your own health.

The BMW SUV example externalises the impact on lots of other people outside of the vehicle (hmm, except the driver's wallet for the fuel)... but the wood burner directly impacts those in the room who have to breathe in the product of combustion.

we have one. use it about 10 times per year (in winter, kiln dry wood only, closed door etc). in terms of price-per-use, it's one of the more extravagant things I've ever bought I guess and I probably wouldn't put one in again but whatever, it's there now.

I don't care if u judge me, I'll be dead from cancer soon enough

Yeah you've pretty much nailed it there.
I was looking at an open chimney I guess rather than a wood burner if that makes any difference?

@Velocio without diving too deep I guess it comes down to do I need A to achieve task B, there are also questions around whether Task B is even needed but that's a whole other discussion.

So from this can I conclude there is no way to have a nice open fire in a house that isn't killing the world?

So from this can I conclude there is no way to have a nice open fire in a house that isn't killing the world?

Oh you can extend this sentence:

So from this can I conclude there is no way to have a nice open fire in a house that isn't killing the world and the people in the house?

It's nicely Darwinian.

To be clear I was asking if it scored a full house on the Modern House bingo card 😢

HA!
Sorry if I am being thick, I know log burners are listed as really bad, but I thought open fires were not owner killing? Maybe because stuff goes out the chimney quicker?

Gas?

A candle?

Both correct answers.

People also need to get a grip. An open log fire when living in the countryside is one thing. Having a log burner (which isn't even period fitting 99.9% of the time) in a built up area is obviously a dick move and in puts you in the same camp that installs Agas in town houses.

Just spend your money on a Miele dishwasher. While it's harder to post nice pictures online, I 100% guarantee that it will get more comments and pier recognition irl.

😘

I count: hay garden set; black clad extension; track lighting; muuto salt and pepper shakers; snoopy table lamp; ligne roset; pin board; and, string shelves. no serif tho, I am disappoint.

Sorry if I am being thick, I know log burners are listed as really bad, but I thought open fires were not owner killing? Maybe because stuff goes out the chimney quicker?

Open fires are owner killing too. They're also wildly inefficient as they push most of the heat straight up the chimney.

Vendors on bark can see where you live. It operates on a pay per reveal model. So they see a certain level of detail and they can decide whether to pay for the lead or not. The best practice is to call a lead as quickly as possible. They approached the problem from a tech and user first perspective which is what a lot of the other marketplace businesses have failed to do. One of their challenges is around client success bc they need to balance between earning enough per request, not bombarding users with quotes, keeping number of vendors high. I came very close to joining the exec team there last year so glad to hear you had a good experience.

I've used Bark twice now... the other time was the roof overhaul, been very happy.

Should I remove the long burner from my inglenook? Don’t wanna kill us but mostly don’t want the forum to tell me off

Leaving them (positive) detailed reviews is always some of the best help you could give

ms_com really wanted a log burner and though I was being a killjoy/over reacting by saying it was a dick move in a built up area. She saw that article yesterday and has now agreed with me. We might go for a modern electric one that looks like a log burner at a glance, maybe.

BMW SUV example

But as gash as they are, at least an SUV has a load of practical benefits for the user.

A log burner saves money for people with the money to fund the upfront cost. That's it.

Subbing.

Does an open fire kill the owners anymore than a vehicle with a petrol engine, eating red meat, smoking or drinking though?

It would be useful if someone could knock up some sort of chart so we all know exactly where lines are drawn.

Just get a merc eqc

Way too obnoxious.
I like the look of those little Kia things.

merc eqc

Surely an XC90 plugin to give that Scandi aesthetic.

On the subject of burners and shit, our chimneys are still open but it's highly unlikely we'd ever use an open fire or even the gas fire again. Do they need to be sealed or can they just be left as is? I imagine they are a good way to vent heat out but then there are probably worse offenders in our place.

Oh yeah just seen it comes out in 2022 - too big for my needs